You've got a lot of plans.

I think you have chosen one of the most complicated sailboats right away.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Cutty+Sark&t=raspberrypi&ia=images&iax=images

The hull already looks good, I'm curious about the rest.

Martin

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"Ton" <ton### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> Here is the copper for the hull and the black paint on top.
>
> Cheers
> Ton

It does start to look good and familiar, from seeing this boat a couple of
decades ago!

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"Ton" <ton### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> Thanks for the comment, mr Eagle.
>
> I see three main challences:
> 1 The decoration on the bow and stern. A heightfield might do the trick, but the
> stern is round, and a heightfield isn't.
> 2 The figurehead on the bowsprit. I've never done anything human shaped.
> 3 The rigging and sails. Sails might be easy, omit them! Cutty Sark in Greenwich
> is sailless.
>   For the ropes there are some help include-files.
>   Chain11.inc (Rob Antonishen, 24 feb 1997) gives paraboles or catenaries for
> chains or ropes.
>   Rope.inc (Ryoichi Suzuki, 21 jan 2001) uses a spline to create a mesh (see
> attached image).
>   Rigging.inc (Chris Colefax, 28 april 1998, modified Tim McMurdo, 28 February
> 2005) to create rigging with tackle and blocks and rope and knots.
>
> On the modelshipworld.com website someone started a scratch build of Cutty Sark
> in 2013. Not finished yet!
> So good work takes time.
>
> Cheers
> Ton

This rope looks great, nice include if it's straight out of it!

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"Mr" <m******r******at_hotmail_dot_fr> wrote:
> "Ton" <ton### [at] gmailcom> wrote:

> >   Rope.inc (Ryoichi Suzuki, 21 jan 2001) uses a spline to create a mesh (see
> > attached image).
> >   Rigging.inc (Chris Colefax, 28 april 1998, modified Tim McMurdo, 28 February
> > 2005) to create rigging with tackle and blocks and rope and knots.

> This rope looks great, nice include if it's straight out of it!

IIRC, Suzuki's macro makes really impressive looking rope "right out of the
box".


As a directly related aside:

I don't know if we have a readily accessible Colefax macro repository, but I
don't recall seeing the Rigging.inc.

It would be nice if someone could post an archive of the complete Colefax
macros, and I can probably put it on my use page so that it's easy to find.

I was also searching some stuff and found a reference to John VanSickle's
reorient_trans macro in an academic paper! ( :D )

I had to use the WayBack Machine to access his old web page - so I'll probably
try to copy-paste those onto my page, so that they aren't lost in the sands of
time.

- BE

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Op 20-8-2025 om 16:04 schreef Bald Eagle:
> It would be nice if someone could post an archive of the complete Colefax
> macros, and I can probably put it on my use page so that it's easy to find.
> 
I guess I made a mistake somewhere and sent an attachment with my Chris 
Colefax stuff directly to you instead of here. Sorry Bill :-/

That's what happens when one is out of the running for too long...

-- 
Thomas

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Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:

> I guess I made a mistake somewhere and sent an attachment with my Chris
> Colefax stuff directly to you instead of here. Sorry Bill :-/
>
> That's what happens when one is out of the running for too long...


I would trade all of the Chris Colefax macros to see you here.  :)

Welcome back.  It's good to see you.
Wishing all the best for you.

 - BW

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Op 21-8-2025 om 15:30 schreef Bald Eagle:
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> 
>> I guess I made a mistake somewhere and sent an attachment with my Chris
>> Colefax stuff directly to you instead of here. Sorry Bill :-/
>>
>> That's what happens when one is out of the running for too long...
> 
> 
> I would trade all of the Chris Colefax macros to see you here.  :)
> 
<blush> That is very kind of you indeed, Bill; thank you very much! I 
hope the Colefax files can be of some use to you. I have not looked at 
them for ages.

> Welcome back.  It's good to see you.
> Wishing all the best for you.
> 
We'll see how it goes... I am mostly watching from somewhere in the 
background these days. RL takes its toll unfortunately.

-- 
Thomas

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Hi everybody, it almost feels like a reunion here.
Thanks for your kind words.

About rigging.inc:
When I was doing my Balclutha model, a Michael posted this link:

http://news.povray.org/povray.binaries.scene-files/thread/%3Cweb.42486f1f6c21491cacb32c570%40news.povray.org%3E/?ttop

which is a post from Tim McMurdo, containing the rigging_include.zip.

My link for the Chris Colefax website is:
https://www.oocities.org/ccolefax/index.html
which is a copy of his geocities website.

BTW, has anybody a 3D spline graphical editor for Povray? That would make
working with splines a lot easier, I hope.

While working on the bulwark I realized that the shape of the hull at the bow
was not correct, so I had to fix that.
That's all done now, so I can continue, and I will do the stanchions and white
panels now. Hopefully this week I can post some new images.

Cheers
Ton.

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I am just reading the html file included with the rigging.inc file from Tim
McMurdo. He says "I decided to modify the LINK.INC file originally created by
Chris Colefax."
So mr. Colefax never made a rigging.inc, just a link.inc, for chains.

Cheers
Ton

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"Ton" <ton### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> I am just reading the html file included with the rigging.inc file from Tim
> McMurdo. He says "I decided to modify the LINK.INC file originally created by
> Chris Colefax."
> So mr. Colefax never made a rigging.inc, just a link.inc, for chains.
>
> Cheers
> Ton

Yes, that was my understanding as well.
Thanks for posting the link to rigging.inc.  :)

I have only ever done a small bit of work with rope - a very long time ago, and
not very good.

https://news.povray.org/povray.binaries.images/message/%3Cweb.5e62e6c45f4031dc4eec112d0%40news.povray.org%3E/#%3Cweb.5e
62e6c45f4031dc4eec112d0%40news.povray.org%3E

Looking forward to seeing your progress!

- BW

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