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On 4/22/20 2:24 PM, Norbert Kern wrote:
> This idyllic (non-realistic) scene is the result of several months of work. It
> took that long because of an experiment.
>
...
>
> Happy rendering in difficult times,
> Norbert
>
WOW. That's one beautiful image Norbert! Bravo.
Going to sit back, drink a cup of coffee, and stare at it for a while.
Bill P.
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Fantastic, would like to visit this place. Povray is surely amazing, well done.
Cheers
Ton.
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On 2020-04-22 2:24 PM (-4), Norbert Kern wrote:
> This idyllic (non-realistic) scene is the result of several months of work. It
> took that long because of an experiment.
>
> [snip]
That is one truly impressive photograph. I can hardly wait to see your
render.
But seriously, you've outdone yourself here. Great job!
> The chief motiv of the image is the contrast of light and shadows as it is
> important in impressionistic painting or gothic architecture.
> I'll explore this topic in my next images more.
>
> Beside this philosophical reasons it was important for me in a more technical
> sense as it is the first image since 15 years developed with assumed_gamma 1.
> I think, I'll stay at this since it is obviously possible to realize strong
> contrasts with assumed_gamma 1...
I would expect so. Real life does it linearly; it is our perceptions
that are non-linear. My response to a low contrast scene has not been
to fiddle with the assumed gamma, but to change the lighting environment.
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Op 22/04/2020 om 20:24 schreef Norbert Kern:
> This idyllic (non-realistic) scene is the result of several months of work. It
> took that long because of an experiment.
>
> I was curious about what would happen when only looking long enough at each
> parts of the scene and so detecting not so good parts.
> In fact I detected one flaw after another for three long months.
> So I substituted, changed or retextured nearly all objects, some of them several
> times.
>
Absolutely gorgeous scene indeed. While your "experiment" contains the
danger of never finishing scene building, it is absolutely essential for
reaching any level of perfection. I do something less extreme than you
myself, with the result that over the last couple of years my production
has dramatically fallen ;-) There are other reasons too for this drop
but those are coming from RL... Anyway, this is a landmark image.
> In the end the scene used 155 individual objects - by comparison my recent redo
> of "warm_up" only used 21 meshes.
> So the scene contains 31 animals (9 birds, 7 mammals, 11 insects, 3 frogs and 2
> fishes).
> Since some of them are nearly invisible, I downloaded a 8000*4500 pixel version
> (
>
http://news.povray.org/povray.binaries.scene-files/thread/%3Cweb.5ea0897b523527c5afdd13e10%40news.povray.org%3E/
> ).
>
> Rendering this version took more than 9 days and 43 GB of RAM were used.
I suppose continuous render or did you interrupt and continue (+c) a
couple of times?
>
> I worked several weeks on an atmosphere alone, but in the end all I did was
> adding a subtle fog effect.
I recognise that. ;-)
>
> The chief motiv of the image is the contrast of light and shadows as it is
> important in impressionistic painting or gothic architecture.
> I'll explore this topic in my next images more.
Cant wait...
>
> Beside this philosophical reasons it was important for me in a more technical
> sense as it is the first image since 15 years developed with assumed_gamma 1.
> I think, I'll stay at this since it is obviously possible to realize strong
> contrasts with assumed_gamma 1...
I can only approve.
>
>
> Happy rendering in difficult times,
> Norbert
>
Thanks! My thoughts go to the numerous who are threatened of losing
their livelihood because of covid19.
--
Thomas
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Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degroot org> wrote:
> Thanks! My thoughts go to the numerous who are threatened of losing
> their livelihood because of covid19.
Indeed. So as not to hijack discussion of this absolute masterpiece, switching
to off-topic thread for this...
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> On 2020-04-22 2:24 PM (-4), Norbert Kern wrote:
>> This idyllic (non-realistic) scene is the result of several months of
>> work. It
>> took that long because of an experiment.
>>
>> [snip]
>
> render.
>
>
>> The chief motiv of the image is the contrast of light and shadows as
>> it is
>> important in impressionistic painting or gothic architecture.
>> I'll explore this topic in my next images more.
>>
>> Beside this philosophical reasons it was important for me in a more
>> technical
>> sense as it is the first image since 15 years developed with
>> assumed_gamma 1.
>> I think, I'll stay at this since it is obviously possible to realize
>> strong
>> contrasts with assumed_gamma 1...
>
> to fiddle with the assumed gamma, but to change the lighting environment.
Like reducing the ambient amount.
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William F Pokorny <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
> On 4/22/20 2:24 PM, Norbert Kern wrote:
> > This idyllic (non-realistic) scene is the result of several months of work. It
> > took that long because of an experiment.
> >
> ...
> >
> > Happy rendering in difficult times,
> > Norbert
> >
> WOW. That's one beautiful image Norbert! Bravo.
>
> Going to sit back, drink a cup of coffee, and stare at it for a while.
>
> Bill P.
Lol - in the case you wonder about where all the animals are, here is an image
with all the creatures...
Norbert
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"Ton" <ton### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> Fantastic, would like to visit this place. Povray is surely amazing, well done.
>
> Cheers
> Ton.
Thank you - I can remember a guy many years before - he said, povray can depict
anything. I want to add - it's sometimes hard to know, what I want to depict.
Norbert
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Cousin Ricky <ric### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
> > Beside this philosophical reasons it was important for me in a more technical
> > sense as it is the first image since 15 years developed with assumed_gamma 1.
> > I think, I'll stay at this since it is obviously possible to realize strong
> > contrasts with assumed_gamma 1...
>
> I would expect so. Real life does it linearly; it is our perceptions
> that are non-linear. My response to a low contrast scene has not been
> to fiddle with the assumed gamma, but to change the lighting environment.
In fact texturing was really simple. A finish like "specular 0.3 roughness 0.003
diffuse 0.6 ambient 0" worked with nearly all objects. When I used assumed_gamma
2.2 there was much more work to do :-)
The biggest change was to reduce the radiosity contribution of the sky.
Here I used rather extreme settings (at least for me) -
#version 3.7;
#declare RAD = 8;
global_settings {
assumed_gamma 1
max_trace_level 255
noise_generator 2
radiosity {
pretrace_start 0.08
pretrace_end 0.04/RAD
count 30*RAD
nearest_count min (20, RAD)
error_bound 3/RAD
low_error_factor 0.5
recursion_limit 1
gray_threshold 0
minimum_reuse 0.015
brightness 1
adc_bailout 0.005
normal on
media off
}
}
#declare skyf = 0.5;
light_source {
<0,0,40000> color srgb (<2.42,2.23,1.87>+2.173*0.3)*0.85
area_light <1000,0,0>, <0,1000,0> 5,5 adaptive 0 jitter circular orient
rotate <-47,-50,0>
}
sky_sphere {
pigment {
function {max (min (y, 1), 0)}
color_map {
[0.0000 srgb <212*skyf,221*skyf,239*(1+skyf)*0.5>/255]
[0.1029 srgb <219*skyf,229*skyf,244*(1+skyf)*0.5>/255]
[0.1512 srgb <233*skyf,241*skyf,250*(1+skyf)*0.5>/255]
[0.1949 srgb <223*skyf,239*skyf,252*(1+skyf)*0.5>/255]
[0.2444 srgb <201*skyf,227*skyf,252*(1+skyf)*0.5>/255]
[0.2921 srgb <180*skyf,213*skyf,250*(1+skyf)*0.5>/255]
[0.3732 srgb <144*skyf,180*skyf,239*(1+skyf)*0.5>/255]
[0.4255 srgb <137*skyf,172*skyf,235*(1+skyf)*0.5>/255]
[0.7067 srgb < 97*skyf,126*skyf,198*(1+skyf)*0.5>/255]
[0.7740 srgb < 92*skyf,119*skyf,190*(1+skyf)*0.5>/255]
[0.8275 srgb < 88*skyf,114*skyf,185*(1+skyf)*0.5>/255]
[0.8850 srgb < 85*skyf,111*skyf,180*(1+skyf)*0.5>/255]
[0.9425 srgb < 82*skyf,107*skyf,175*(1+skyf)*0.5>/255]
[1.0000 srgb < 79*skyf,103*skyf,170*(1+skyf)*0.5>/255]
}
}
}
Norbert
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Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> Absolutely gorgeous scene indeed. While your "experiment" contains the
> danger of never finishing scene building, it is absolutely essential for
> reaching any level of perfection. I do something less extreme than you
> myself, with the result that over the last couple of years my production
> has dramatically fallen ;-) There are other reasons too for this drop
> but those are coming from RL... Anyway, this is a landmark image.
Thank you Thomas. Indeed there was this danger - but in the end it became clear,
that I want to improve by making other images. There is a subtle intuitive
voice, which guided me. I simply wanted to exclude superficial rational
reasoning...
> I suppose continuous render or did you interrupt and continue (+c) a
> couple of times?
No, I used my two machines - the first for doing all the changes and the second
one for rendering. The second machine with 64 Gb RAM is loud and can heat my
whole passiv house - so my window was wide open all the time since xmas ;-) .
> > Happy rendering in difficult times,
> > Norbert
> >
>
> Thanks! My thoughts go to the numerous who are threatened of losing
> their livelihood because of covid19.
My rational side says such things are and will be inevitable. Personally I
conducted some scenario exercises with similar topics in my compony and in the
beginning I was shocked by the outcomes - this pandemie can lend to very deep
economic recessions - and wars.
Times are becoming even more interesting (in the chinese sense - may you live in
interesting times)...
Norbert
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