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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: new tree
Date: 19 Jan 2019 07:12:12
Message: <5c43141c$1@news.povray.org>
On 19-1-2019 12:00, And wrote:
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>> On 18-1-2019 15:27, And wrote:
>>> //#declare trunk_13=
>>> #declare PR_DIFFUSE=pigment {color rgb <0.056,0.058,0.036> transmit 0/100 }
>>>
>>>
>>> #declare F1=finish{
>>>                      diffuse  1
>>>                      oren_nayar 1.117
>>>                      }
>>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> oren_nayar? I suppose that is a macro you wrote yourself based on this
>> reflectance model? It does not seem to be mentioned in the POV-Ray docs...
>>
>> --
>> Thomas
> 
> new feature of 3.7.?  The newest uberpov has this feature, too.
> 

Not in 3.7, nor in 3.8 alpha. So, must be UberPOV.

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Thomas


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From: Bald Eagle
Subject: Re: new tree
Date: 19 Jan 2019 08:25:00
Message: <web.5c4324f42a45eaa2765e06870@news.povray.org>
Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:

> Not in 3.7, nor in 3.8 alpha. So, must be UberPOV.
>
> --
> Thomas

No, a while back I recall clipka experimenting with using different reflection
models

Mostly since I spent some time trying to understand what went into it.
http://news.povray.org/povray.binaries.images/thread/%3Cweb.57cb6721f854a3db5e7df57c0@news.povray.org%3E/

So, it is/was actual POV-Ray:

http://news.povray.org/povray.beta-test/thread/%3C57040752@news.povray.org%3E/


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From: Kenneth
Subject: Re: new tree
Date: 19 Jan 2019 12:15:00
Message: <web.5c435ad62a45eaa2cd98345b0@news.povray.org>
"Bald Eagle" <cre### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>
> > Not in 3.7, nor in 3.8 alpha. So, must be UberPOV.
> >
>
> ...it is/was actual POV-Ray:
>
> http://news.povray.org/povray.beta-test/thread/%3C57040752@news.povray.org%3E/

I just read (or re-read?) that older post; fascinating.

So I tried using the oren_nayer feature in one of the recent 3.8 alphas, but
it's not recognized. I guess it never made it into 3.8's development? Pity that;
the feature sounds quite interesting.


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From: Kenneth
Subject: Re: new tree
Date: 19 Jan 2019 12:30:00
Message: <web.5c435e142a45eaa2cd98345b0@news.povray.org>
"Kenneth" <kdw### [at] gmailcom> wrote:

>
> So I tried using the oren_nayer feature in one of the recent 3.8 alphas...

I meant oren_nayar


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: new tree
Date: 19 Jan 2019 18:56:16
Message: <5c43b920$1@news.povray.org>
Am 19.01.2019 um 18:13 schrieb Kenneth:

> So I tried using the oren_nayer feature in one of the recent 3.8 alphas, but
> it's not recognized. I guess it never made it into 3.8's development? Pity that;
> the feature sounds quite interesting.

The problem was that the `albedo` mode of operation is poorly defined 
for oren-nayar and the other one (I think it was minnaert, would have to 
look it up), and I haven't made up my mind yet how to solve this.


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From: And
Subject: Re: new tree
Date: 20 Jan 2019 00:45:01
Message: <web.5c440a6f2a45eaa2f82eb7cf0@news.povray.org>
clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
> Am 19.01.2019 um 18:13 schrieb Kenneth:
>
> > So I tried using the oren_nayer feature in one of the recent 3.8 alphas, but
> > it's not recognized. I guess it never made it into 3.8's development? Pity that;
> > the feature sounds quite interesting.
>
> The problem was that the `albedo` mode of operation is poorly defined
> for oren-nayar and the other one (I think it was minnaert, would have to
> look it up), and I haven't made up my mind yet how to solve this.


?! I think the problem for oren nayar model is solved in previous:
http://news.povray.org/povray.beta-test/thread/%3C57040752@news.povray.org%3E/

with the total reflection light counted.
And the appearance of the rendered image with oren-nayar surface convinces me...


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: new tree
Date: 20 Jan 2019 01:20:33
Message: <5c441331$1@news.povray.org>
Am 20.01.2019 um 06:43 schrieb And:
> clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
>> Am 19.01.2019 um 18:13 schrieb Kenneth:
>>
>>> So I tried using the oren_nayer feature in one of the recent 3.8 alphas, but
>>> it's not recognized. I guess it never made it into 3.8's development? Pity that;
>>> the feature sounds quite interesting.
>>
>> The problem was that the `albedo` mode of operation is poorly defined
>> for oren-nayar and the other one (I think it was minnaert, would have to
>> look it up), and I haven't made up my mind yet how to solve this.
> 
> 
> ?! I think the problem for oren nayar model is solved in previous:
> http://news.povray.org/povray.beta-test/thread/%3C57040752@news.povray.org%3E/
> 
> with the total reflection light counted.
> And the appearance of the rendered image with oren-nayar surface convinces me...

Thanks for the reminder. Goes to show that my memory is getting a bit leaky.

I'm pretty sure that /something/ was still bothering me though. After 
having had a closer look, I'm coming to the conclusion that it was the 
interaction with the finish-level `fresnel` keyword.

Nevermind, it seems like I need to get that branch rolling again.


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: new tree
Date: 20 Jan 2019 03:13:26
Message: <5c442da6$1@news.povray.org>
On 20-1-2019 7:20, clipka wrote:
> Nevermind, it seems like I need to get that branch rolling again.

That would be nice indeed. I just totally forgot about its existence.

-- 
Thomas


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: new tree
Date: 22 Jan 2019 09:09:54
Message: <5c472432$1@news.povray.org>
Am 20.01.2019 um 09:13 schrieb Thomas de Groot:
> On 20-1-2019 7:20, clipka wrote:
>> Nevermind, it seems like I need to get that branch rolling again.
> 
> That would be nice indeed. I just totally forgot about its existence.

You may want to read my recent post "Experimental features branch" on 
`povray.beta-test` if you haven't already...


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: new tree
Date: 23 Jan 2019 02:39:17
Message: <5c481a25$1@news.povray.org>
On 22-1-2019 15:09, clipka wrote:
> Am 20.01.2019 um 09:13 schrieb Thomas de Groot:
>> On 20-1-2019 7:20, clipka wrote:
>>> Nevermind, it seems like I need to get that branch rolling again.
>>
>> That would be nice indeed. I just totally forgot about its existence.
> 
> You may want to read my recent post "Experimental features branch" on 
> `povray.beta-test` if you haven't already...

Yes, I read it and intend to download that, thank you indeed.

[note to self: Got to be careful with all those different branches 
without messing up...] ;_)

-- 
Thomas


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