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From: omniverse
Subject: Re: The Reds Are Coming...
Date: 20 May 2017 01:35:01
Message: <web.591fd54cfb337a119c5d6c810@news.povray.org>
"Simon J. Cambridge" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> After asking the question I then remembered seeing
> something on 'brushed aluminium' from way back when. I went looking and found
> RC3Metal and the wonders of averaged textures. I shall play.
>
> Just to add that I have been investigating a little further with the image, but
> still find myself liking the version I did with full on reflection! It's bold!
> It's heroic! It's deco!

Said it before and I'll say it again, there's something about the clarity and
perfection of these ray traced images I will always like. Of course, most people
would agree it isn't realistic that way unless dirt and scratches are added. I
admit I can't resist wanting that realism myself. Just not written in stone that
things must be one way or the other, unless you yourself or someone else needs
it to be.

That aside, I was thinking the air looks too thick. Then I realized why I
thought so, reminds me of a heavy rain. And if you're not wanting to go through
the trouble of including droplets on the armor and raindrops falling in the
nearby air I guess it could be thought of as a smoky battlefield. But that's
just my view.
:)
Bob


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From: Cousin Ricky
Subject: Re: The Reds Are Coming...
Date: 20 May 2017 01:53:42
Message: <591fd9e6$1@news.povray.org>
On 2017-05-20 01:34 AM (-4), omniverse wrote:
> That aside, I was thinking the air looks too thick. Then I realized why I
> thought so, reminds me of a heavy rain. And if you're not wanting to go through
> the trouble of including droplets on the armor and raindrops falling in the
> nearby air I guess it could be thought of as a smoky battlefield. But that's
> just my view.

Have you seen Gilles Tran's "The Wet Bird" in the HOF?  It's totally 
convincing, with no actually raindrops.


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From: Kenneth
Subject: Re: The Reds Are Coming...
Date: 21 May 2017 11:15:01
Message: <web.5921ad19fb337a11883fb31c0@news.povray.org>
I really like that spaceship design. And the vibrant colors of the two soldiers
are really nice, and a good color contrast.

I would suggest bringing the background line of soldiers somewhat closer to
camera; I actually didn't notice what they were until I looked at the image
several times.

My opinion about the amount (and the color) of the background haze is that it's
excellent-- it clearly defines the two main characters, who are the real focus
of the image.

A small nit-pick: The ends of the white vertical 'light-sabre' detract from its
look-- it appears to be a store-bought fluorescent light tube ;-P  The ends are
black(?). Maybe a different color, or a different design there, would look
better. In my humble opinion.


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: The Reds Are Coming...
Date: 21 May 2017 16:56:08
Message: <5921fee8$1@news.povray.org>
Am 21.05.2017 um 17:09 schrieb Kenneth:

> A small nit-pick: The ends of the white vertical 'light-sabre' detract from its
> look-- it appears to be a store-bought fluorescent light tube ;-P  The ends are
> black(?). Maybe a different color, or a different design there, would look
> better. In my humble opinion.

My interpretation is that this IS some flourescent-light-tube-ish thing.
Some ceremonial gizmo, rather than effective weaponry.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: The Reds Are Coming...
Date: 21 May 2017 17:14:12
Message: <59220324$1@news.povray.org>
On 5/21/2017 9:56 PM, clipka wrote:
> Am 21.05.2017 um 17:09 schrieb Kenneth:
>
>> A small nit-pick: The ends of the white vertical 'light-sabre' detract from its
>> look-- it appears to be a store-bought fluorescent light tube ;-P  The ends are
>> black(?). Maybe a different color, or a different design there, would look
>> better. In my humble opinion.
>
> My interpretation is that this IS some flourescent-light-tube-ish thing.
> Some ceremonial gizmo, rather than effective weaponry.
>

Yes, it is an ancient artefact, revered for generations.

-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: The Reds Are Coming...
Date: 22 May 2017 02:49:19
Message: <592289ef$1@news.povray.org>
On 21-5-2017 23:14, Stephen wrote:
> On 5/21/2017 9:56 PM, clipka wrote:
>> Am 21.05.2017 um 17:09 schrieb Kenneth:
>>
>>> A small nit-pick: The ends of the white vertical 'light-sabre'
>>> detract from its
>>> look-- it appears to be a store-bought fluorescent light tube ;-P
>>> The ends are
>>> black(?). Maybe a different color, or a different design there, would
>>> look
>>> better. In my humble opinion.
>>
>> My interpretation is that this IS some flourescent-light-tube-ish thing.
>> Some ceremonial gizmo, rather than effective weaponry.
>>
>
> Yes, it is an ancient artefact, revered for generations.
>

However.... I suspect that in the nick of time, not being able to find 
the artefact, he took the light-tube from his kitchen...

[did it again. slap! slap!]

-- 
Thomas


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From: Simon J  Cambridge
Subject: Re: The Reds Are Coming...
Date: 22 May 2017 07:25:01
Message: <web.5922c7c3fb337a114ab1e0880@news.povray.org>
"Kenneth" <kdw### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> I really like that spaceship design. And the vibrant colors of the two soldiers
> are really nice, and a good color contrast.
>
> I would suggest bringing the background line of soldiers somewhat closer to
> camera; I actually didn't notice what they were until I looked at the image
> several times.
>
> My opinion about the amount (and the color) of the background haze is that it's
> excellent-- it clearly defines the two main characters, who are the real focus
> of the image.
>
> A small nit-pick: The ends of the white vertical 'light-sabre' detract from its
> look-- it appears to be a store-bought fluorescent light tube ;-P  The ends are
> black(?). Maybe a different color, or a different design there, would look
> better. In my humble opinion.

Hi Kenneth,

Thanks. It took a while to get it where it is, and given everybodies comments I
don't think I am going to mess with it over much. When ever I do I end up hating
the results and going back to the original.

The ships took a lot of thinking about. I settled on fish! You can't go wrong
with fish!

And since the 'flourescent tube' is causing so much discussion, perhaps I had
better explain...

What I am trying to model here is a long crystal stave with a core of energy. I
have never been able to get it quite to my satisfaction. The stave itself is a
crystal material with ior of 3 (approximating diamond). There is a white core
with a finish emission of 1. Really hard to get right, it seems.

In my books, this artefact is actually quite a devasting weapon. The energy at
the centre could be considered to be produced by something akin to an event
horizon, where everything has been squeezed, or folded, down to infinity.
Essentially, this energy, when called up, takes matter back to its base state,
rather like the conditions at the beginning of creation. I have tied its
explanation and description fairly heavily to hermetic principles, ie, as
pertaining to the four elements: earth, air, fire and water. So earth can be
made to run like water, air can be made to burn like fire, water can be made to
solidify like earth, etc, etc. You need to read the books, whilst I need to find
out how better to get it to render!

And just to think, more likely than not, you have one of these hanging in your
kitchen!

Cheers,

Simon.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: The Reds Are Coming...
Date: 22 May 2017 07:47:26
Message: <5922cfce$1@news.povray.org>
On 5/22/2017 12:20 PM, Simon J. Cambridge wrote:
> Thanks. It took a while to get it where it is, and given everybodies comments I
> don't think I am going to mess with it over much. When ever I do I end up hating
> the results and going back to the original.
>

You are right there. :)
Personally I would leave it s it is and be happy. :)

> The ships took a lot of thinking about. I settled on fish! You can't go wrong
> with fish!
>

Thanks for all the... ;)

> And since the 'flourescent tube' is causing so much discussion, perhaps I had
> better explain...
>

I would try changing the end caps. Maybe a gold texture would make it 
less like a fluorescent tube. Or something ornamental like a short wire 
mesh.

-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Kenneth
Subject: Re: The Reds Are Coming...
Date: 22 May 2017 15:35:01
Message: <web.59233c19fb337a11883fb31c0@news.povray.org>
Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:

>
> I would try changing the end caps. Maybe a gold texture would make it
> less like a fluorescent tube. Or something ornamental like a short wire
> mesh.
>
Or maybe half a torus at both ends, both vertical, with one flipped in the
opposite direction. Like a long 'S' shape.

The possibilities are endless!  (That's the most difficult part of designing
anything-- actually *choosing* only one of countless ideas.) ;-)

By the way, Art Deco (and 'Moderne') are my favorite 'design philosophies' as
well. Perhaps with a little bit of 'Steampunk' thrown in. (Disney's design for
the Nautilus submarine in 20,000 LEAGUES UNDER THE SEA is a constant
inspiration, as are the sleek, ominous Martian saucers in George Pal's 1950's
version of WAR OF THE WORLDS.)


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From: Simon J  Cambridge
Subject: Re: The Reds Are Coming...
Date: 23 May 2017 07:30:01
Message: <web.59241bfdfb337a1112a85d80@news.povray.org>
"Kenneth" <kdw### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>
> >
> > I would try changing the end caps. Maybe a gold texture would make it
> > less like a fluorescent tube. Or something ornamental like a short wire
> > mesh.
> >
> Or maybe half a torus at both ends, both vertical, with one flipped in the
> opposite direction. Like a long 'S' shape.
>
> The possibilities are endless!  (That's the most difficult part of designing
> anything-- actually *choosing* only one of countless ideas.) ;-)
>
> By the way, Art Deco (and 'Moderne') are my favorite 'design philosophies' as
> well. Perhaps with a little bit of 'Steampunk' thrown in. (Disney's design for
> the Nautilus submarine in 20,000 LEAGUES UNDER THE SEA is a constant
> inspiration, as are the sleek, ominous Martian saucers in George Pal's 1950's
> version of WAR OF THE WORLDS.)

Unfortunately putting end caps on isn't an option. In the books these crystals
are the result of a single forging. Besides, any substance other then that of
the crystal would be subject to the forces that are summoned when the crystal is
used (as in fused, vapourized, disintegrated, obliterated, eviscerated, etc,
etc). Having written the books, I should, more than anyone else, adhere to the
rules I have already laid down.

I have reworked the mesh for the stave and its core, and that has improved
matters somewhat. See uploaded image. (I am still not entirely satisfied,
though.)

I loved that design for the Nautilus. When I was little I wanted an airfix
model! I also wanted an airfix model of the martian saucers, though I imagine
not much assembly would be required. No fiddly bits! I also love the design of
the Chrysler building and the Columbine inspired scroll work that occasionally
pops up from time to time. I have borrowed a lot from art deco, and gothic. I
also love gothic.

Cheers,

Simon.


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