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Since it is better to speak about pictures then to nitpick about version
numbers, here is a very first WIP of my intended entry to the next TC-Round
"Legends". I had to look at an image of Willi Baumeister at the staircase of my
former office every day for more than three years. It was one of his "Bluxao"
series (since it is still copyrighted now I can only refer to the Wikipedia.
There is an other image from this series depicted - look under "Willi
Baumeister"). I ever wondered what he wanted to depict. Then I saw a jester
(Till Eulenspiegel in my eyes) within a tv-set, his jesters cap protruding from
the tv.
This is only a very first WIP. I will change the one or other thing (better
buoys, a better support structure, some textures, the cloud, bells to the cap
and so on) but you can get a first impression from this. Please nitpick about
it, it will be very welcome.
And as it seems, it is the first picture posted here, using the new POV 3.7.0.
May the picture is strange, but I used the new options of the Windows editor
heavily (especially the additions to the insert menu). Many thanks for this and
I hope you can forgive me my first critism about it.
And no, the screenshot is not a photograph of myself, it is a grayscale
rendering of Poser's James, tweaked a bit in the face room.
And for the non German speakers: "Eule" means owl and "Spiegel" mirror...
Best regards,
Michael
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"MichaelJF" <mi-### [at] t-online de> wrote:
> Since it is better to speak about pictures then to nitpick about version
> numbers, here is a very first WIP of my intended entry to the next TC-Round
> "Legends". I had to look at an image of Willi Baumeister at the staircase of my
> former office every day for more than three years. It was one of his "Bluxao"
> series (since it is still copyrighted now I can only refer to the Wikipedia.
> There is an other image from this series depicted - look under "Willi
> Baumeister"). I ever wondered what he wanted to depict. Then I saw a jester
> (Till Eulenspiegel in my eyes) within a tv-set, his jesters cap protruding from
> the tv.
>
> This is only a very first WIP. I will change the one or other thing (better
> buoys, a better support structure, some textures, the cloud, bells to the cap
> and so on) but you can get a first impression from this. Please nitpick about
> it, it will be very welcome.
>
> And as it seems, it is the first picture posted here, using the new POV 3.7.0.
> May the picture is strange, but I used the new options of the Windows editor
> heavily (especially the additions to the insert menu). Many thanks for this and
> I hope you can forgive me my first critism about it.
>
> And no, the screenshot is not a photograph of myself, it is a grayscale
> rendering of Poser's James, tweaked a bit in the face room.
>
> And for the non German speakers: "Eule" means owl and "Spiegel" mirror...
>
> Best regards,
> Michael
Sorry to have annoyed you with this image.
Bye,
Michael
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Am 15.11.2013 19:44, schrieb MichaelJF:
> Sorry to have annoyed you with this image.
> Bye,
> Michael
Well, that's what Eulenspiegel did, didn't he?
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On 15-11-2013 19:44, MichaelJF wrote:
> Sorry to have annoyed you with this image.
Lol. Like Clipka says...
To tell the truth, I don't know (yet) what to say about this image. Much
depends on how it is going to evolve.
Thomas
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clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
> Am 15.11.2013 19:44, schrieb MichaelJF:
>
> > Sorry to have annoyed you with this image.
> > Bye,
> > Michael
>
> Well, that's what Eulenspiegel did, didn't he?
Ah, yes. Eulenspiegel did this. As ever a very fascinating aspect of rendering
is, that one learns about topics one would not have noticed otherwise. In this
case I bought a copy of the middle high German version translated into modern
German of the original Eulenspiegel from the early 16th century. A cheap paper
back, so I could afford it. So far I did not bought the version of Charles de
Coster, who put the story to Flanders. I only read a part of it online. From the
first chapters I gained the impression that de Coster's version is very softend
and supplemented of the original version, attributed to a certain Herman Bote,
but even this is not sure. So Till is a legend. The original Till Eulenspiegel
plays very rough practical jokes. There are 96 original stories (called
histories there) and in more than 20 of them he uses his shit to annoy people -
in one of them he eats his own wastes. The medieval people seems to have a more
relaxed perception of this than we have nowadays...
But my picture will be an abstract one. I know that abstract and surrealistic
images have a problem within a community focused at photorealism. But one can
craft a lot of more images beyond the photorealism limit with POV. And I will do
so again and again. Here is an update.
Best regards,
Michael
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Am 17.11.2013 17:49, schrieb MichaelJF:
> But my picture will be an abstract one. I know that abstract and surrealistic
> images have a problem within a community focused at photorealism. But one can
> craft a lot of more images beyond the photorealism limit with POV. And I will do
> so again and again. Here is an update.
I think there's no inherent conflict betweem photorealism, as I
understand it, and surrealism.
Look at paintings from Hieronimus Bosch, for instance - his famous
depictions of hell were quite close to what I would call photorealistic,
except that the figures depicted were pretty... weird, to say the least.
My understanding of photorealism is that, for instance, that the rust on
your buoys looks like real rust, that the jester's cap looks like made
from real cloth, and that the owl in the mirror looks just like the
mirror image of a real owl would, except that we just can't see the owl
directly.
Other than that, I'm perfectly fine with raytraced images being surreal
- as a matter of fact I think surrealistic images with photorealistic
details make for a great contrast.
As for abstract, your image just isn't.
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On 17/11/2013 6:04 PM, clipka wrote:
> Am 17.11.2013 17:49, schrieb MichaelJF:
>
>> But my picture will be an abstract one. I know that abstract and
>> surrealistic
>> images have a problem within a community focused at photorealism. But
>> one can
>> craft a lot of more images beyond the photorealism limit with POV. And
>> I will do
>> so again and again. Here is an update.
>
> I think there's no inherent conflict betweem photorealism, as I
> understand it, and surrealism.
>
I agree but I see that, at least in TC-RTC, abstract and surreal images
get very poor scores.
> Look at paintings from Hieronimus Bosch, for instance - his famous
> depictions of hell were quite close to what I would call photorealistic,
> except that the figures depicted were pretty... weird, to say the least.
>
I have wanted to create my own Bosch-esk image for about ten years. Lack
of time and skill, hold me back.
> My understanding of photorealism is that, for instance, that the rust on
> your buoys looks like real rust, that the jester's cap looks like made
> from real cloth, and that the owl in the mirror looks just like the
> mirror image of a real owl would, except that we just can't see the owl
> directly.
>
Exactly.
> Other than that, I'm perfectly fine with raytraced images being surreal
> - as a matter of fact I think surrealistic images with photorealistic
> details make for a great contrast.
>
>
> As for abstract, your image just isn't.
>
IMO It is surrealist.
Oh! BTW Michael, keep it up.
--
Regards
Stephen
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On 17-11-2013 19:36, Stephen wrote:
> I have wanted to create my own Bosch-esk image for about ten years. Lack
> of time and skill, hold me back.
>
You remind me of my own - aborted - attempt from 2008, featuring Cathy...
Thomas
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On 17-11-2013 17:49, MichaelJF wrote:
> Ah, yes. Eulenspiegel did this. As ever a very fascinating aspect of rendering
> is, that one learns about topics one would not have noticed otherwise. In this
> case I bought a copy of the middle high German version translated into modern
> German of the original Eulenspiegel from the early 16th century. A cheap paper
> back, so I could afford it. So far I did not bought the version of Charles de
> Coster, who put the story to Flanders. I only read a part of it online. From the
> first chapters I gained the impression that de Coster's version is very softend
> and supplemented of the original version, attributed to a certain Herman Bote,
> but even this is not sure. So Till is a legend. The original Till Eulenspiegel
> plays very rough practical jokes. There are 96 original stories (called
> histories there) and in more than 20 of them he uses his shit to annoy people -
> in one of them he eats his own wastes. The medieval people seems to have a more
> relaxed perception of this than we have nowadays...
De Coster used his Eulenspiegel as a means to express Flemish
nationalistic aspirations. As such, only the first part of his book is
based on traditional accounts of Till, gradually shifting to more
serious resistance acts against the (Spanish) oppressors, as a metaphor
for French cultural dominance in the Belgium of his time.
>
> But my picture will be an abstract one. I know that abstract and surrealistic
> images have a problem within a community focused at photorealism. But one can
> craft a lot of more images beyond the photorealism limit with POV. And I will do
> so again and again. Here is an update.
Yes, somehow they have, but I do not think it is restricted to this
community. Abstraction and surrealism are not well understood in general
imho, even if they have become common occurrences in the public domain
like in advertisements.
Concerning your work, I am still wondering but that is not of your
concern ;-) Maybe you should shift the texture (the rust) of the second
buoy a bit to hide the similarity with the front one.
Thomas
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> As ever a very fascinating aspect of rendering is, that one learns
> about topics one would not have noticed otherwise.
How true!
--
jaime
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