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From: ChrisH
Subject: Poser Character WIP
Date: 30 Jun 2009 01:00:07
Message: <web.4a499b519ae0864ae2df804f0@news.povray.org>
The character is from Poser 6.0 and rendered in POVRAY using Poseray 3.12 to
convert the obj and texture files from Poser to POVRAY. Please ignore the
clothes, I wanted a PG rated image :)

Something I've noticed using a LCD screen versus my old CRT screen - the
brightness of the image varies depending on my position relative to the screen
with the LCD screen. This is a real pain trying to get a consistent brightness
from one render to the next.


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From: Rich
Subject: Re: Poser Character WIP
Date: 30 Jun 2009 09:17:46
Message: <4a4a107a@news.povray.org>
ChrisH wrote:
> The character is from Poser 6.0 and rendered in POVRAY using Poseray 3.12 to
> convert the obj and texture files from Poser to POVRAY. Please ignore the
> clothes, I wanted a PG rated image :)

Hair is the reason I've steered away from Poser figures in POV, haven't 
tried it for a while now.  But that looks good here.  Koz's ponytail is 
what it might be?

(Just me, but I don't like Jessie, "Harriet Harda$$" is what she brings 
to mind.)
> 
> Something I've noticed using a LCD screen versus my old CRT screen - the
> brightness of the image varies depending on my position relative to the screen
> with the LCD screen. This is a real pain trying to get a consistent brightness
> from one render to the next.
> 
>

Found the same here, but it seems CRT monitors are an endangered species.

Rich.


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From: Alain
Subject: Re: Poser Character WIP
Date: 30 Jun 2009 10:20:45
Message: <4a4a1f3d$1@news.povray.org>

> ChrisH wrote:
>> The character is from Poser 6.0 and rendered in POVRAY using Poseray 
>> 3.12 to
>> convert the obj and texture files from Poser to POVRAY. Please ignore the
>> clothes, I wanted a PG rated image :)
> 
> Hair is the reason I've steered away from Poser figures in POV, haven't 
> tried it for a while now.  But that looks good here.  Koz's ponytail is 
> what it might be?
> 
> (Just me, but I don't like Jessie, "Harriet Harda$$" is what she brings 
> to mind.)
>>
>> Something I've noticed using a LCD screen versus my old CRT screen - the
>> brightness of the image varies depending on my position relative to 
>> the screen
>> with the LCD screen. This is a real pain trying to get a consistent 
>> brightness
>> from one render to the next.
>>
>>
> 
> Found the same here, but it seems CRT monitors are an endangered species.
> 
> Rich.

You should try the new LEDD displays. They are supposed to be almost 
vewing angle neutral. Those use an array of LEDs instead of relyng on 
polarised light and liquid cristals.


Alain


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From: Zeger Knaepen
Subject: Re: Poser Character WIP
Date: 30 Jun 2009 12:54:23
Message: <4a4a433f$1@news.povray.org>
"Alain" <aze### [at] qwertyorg> wrote in message 
news:4a4a1f3d$1@news.povray.org...
> You should try the new LEDD displays. They are supposed to be almost 
> vewing angle neutral. Those use an array of LEDs instead of relyng on 
> polarised light and liquid cristals.

Are you sure you're not talking about LCD screens with LED-backlights? 
'cause, AFAIK real LED-screens (OLED actually, normal LED's are too big for 
screens) aren't available yet.

And if you are: those screens have almost the same image quality as normal 
LCD-screens.  Slightly better colours, but viewing-angles are exactly the 
same.

cu!
-- 
#macro G(b,e)b+(e-b)*C/50#end#macro _(b,e,k,l)#local C=0;#while(C<50)
sphere{G(b,e)+3*z.1pigment{rgb G(k,l)}finish{ambient 1}}#local C=C+1;
#end#end _(y-x,y,x,x+y)_(y,-x-y,x+y,y)_(-x-y,-y,y,y+z)_(-y,y,y+z,x+y)
_(0x+y.5+y/2x)_(0x-y.5+y/2x)            // ZK http://www.povplace.com


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From: Eero Ahonen
Subject: Re: Poser Character WIP
Date: 30 Jun 2009 14:49:24
Message: <4a4a5e34$1@news.povray.org>
Alain wrote:
> 
> You should try the new LEDD displays. They are supposed to be almost
> vewing angle neutral. Those use an array of LEDs instead of relyng on
> polarised light and liquid cristals.
> 

Or just simply a proper LCD monitor. Start with searcing for PVA-panel
and if you can't find one, consider IPS -panel. Anyway, forget the
TN-panels (which most monitors use, since they are the cheapest ones),
and you're off with a good start.

> Alain

-Aero


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From: Alain
Subject: Re: Poser Character WIP
Date: 30 Jun 2009 17:42:31
Message: <4a4a86c7@news.povray.org>

> "Alain" <aze### [at] qwertyorg> wrote in message 
> news:4a4a1f3d$1@news.povray.org...
>> You should try the new LEDD displays. They are supposed to be almost 
>> vewing angle neutral. Those use an array of LEDs instead of relyng on 
>> polarised light and liquid cristals.
> 
> Are you sure you're not talking about LCD screens with LED-backlights? 
> 'cause, AFAIK real LED-screens (OLED actually, normal LED's are too big for 
> screens) aren't available yet.
> 
> And if you are: those screens have almost the same image quality as normal 
> LCD-screens.  Slightly better colours, but viewing-angles are exactly the 
> same.
> 
> cu!

Strange, but I saw some in the flyers I regularly receive at my door. 
Yes, OLED display ARE available right now. The thing is, they cost much 
more than LCDs.


Alain


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From: Zeger Knaepen
Subject: Re: Poser Character WIP
Date: 30 Jun 2009 18:02:38
Message: <4a4a8b7e$1@news.povray.org>
"Eero Ahonen" <aer### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid> wrote in message 
news:4a4a5e34$1@news.povray.org...
> Alain wrote:
>>
>> You should try the new LEDD displays. They are supposed to be almost
>> vewing angle neutral. Those use an array of LEDs instead of relyng on
>> polarised light and liquid cristals.
>>
>
> Or just simply a proper LCD monitor. Start with searcing for PVA-panel
> and if you can't find one, consider IPS -panel. Anyway, forget the
> TN-panels (which most monitors use, since they are the cheapest ones),
> and you're off with a good start.

I can recommend the Lenovo L220X
I've never used it, but it gets very good reviews, has very good 
specifications (S-PVA panel, 1920x1200 resolution on a 22" screen, AFAIK the 
only 22" with that resolution) and a nice price (about 500$, which is low 
for such a monitor)

cu!
-- 
#macro G(b,e)b+(e-b)*C/50#end#macro _(b,e,k,l)#local C=0;#while(C<50)
sphere{G(b,e)+3*z.1pigment{rgb G(k,l)}finish{ambient 1}}#local C=C+1;
#end#end _(y-x,y,x,x+y)_(y,-x-y,x+y,y)_(-x-y,-y,y,y+z)_(-y,y,y+z,x+y)
_(0x+y.5+y/2x)_(0x-y.5+y/2x)            // ZK http://www.povplace.com


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Poser Character WIP
Date: 1 Jul 2009 04:03:18
Message: <4a4b1846$1@news.povray.org>
"Rich" <ri.### [at] attnet> schreef in bericht 
news:4a4a107a@news.povray.org...
> ChrisH wrote:
>> The character is from Poser 6.0 and rendered in POVRAY using Poseray 3.12 
>> to
>> convert the obj and texture files from Poser to POVRAY. Please ignore the
>> clothes, I wanted a PG rated image :)
>
> Hair is the reason I've steered away from Poser figures in POV, haven't 
> tried it for a while now.  But that looks good here.  Koz's ponytail is 
> what it might be?
>
> (Just me, but I don't like Jessie, "Harriet Harda$$" is what she brings to 
> mind.)

Always work on the textures, especially Kozaburo's hair, and add/change the 
hues, as the baked in highlights will always look artificial. Look at the 
ponytail in ChrisH's image. The hues are not right imo. In between Poser and 
POV-Ray there is much to tweak before things look right.

Jessie is indeed not the most attractive character, but you can always 
change/morph her in the face room for instance  :-)

Thomas


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Poser Character WIP
Date: 1 Jul 2009 13:30:01
Message: <web.4a4b9c58d5d80e045def94260@news.povray.org>
"ChrisH" <lho### [at] comcastnet> wrote:
> Something I've noticed using a LCD screen versus my old CRT screen - the
> brightness of the image varies depending on my position relative to the screen
> with the LCD screen. This is a real pain trying to get a consistent brightness
> from one render to the next.

That's not POV-Ray's fault :)

But yes, it's a common effect with LCDs, and virtually inevitable. I guess it's
less prominent with newer or more costly panels, but even then it cannot be
eliminated completely.

OLEDs should perform a lot better in this respect. As soon as the "pigment"
lifetime issues are solved.

Alternatively, get a beamer :)


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From: "Jérôme M. Berger"
Subject: Re: Poser Character WIP
Date: 2 Jul 2009 13:03:21
Message: <4a4ce859$1@news.povray.org>
clipka wrote:
> "ChrisH" <lho### [at] comcastnet> wrote:
>> Something I've noticed using a LCD screen versus my old CRT screen - t
he
>> brightness of the image varies depending on my position relative to th
e screen
>> with the LCD screen. This is a real pain trying to get a consistent br
ightness
>> from one render to the next.
> 
> That's not POV-Ray's fault :)
> 
> But yes, it's a common effect with LCDs, and virtually inevitable. I gu
ess it's
> less prominent with newer or more costly panels, but even then it canno
t be
> eliminated completely.
> 
	Actually, it can. PVA and IPS panels have near perfect uniformity. 
The downside is that they use twice as much power as the TN panels 
for the same brightness (and that is inevitable).

		Jerome
-- 
mailto:jeb### [at] freefr
http://jeberger.free.fr
Jabber: jeb### [at] jabberfr


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