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From: Cousin Ricky
Subject: Yet another RSOCP
Date: 18 May 2008 12:30:01
Message: <web.4830567f9de317c185de7b680@news.povray.org>
The blue and gold are my high school alma mater's colors.  Sorry, no kitchen
probe.

Lessons learned:

- Higher order polynomials are very sensitive to floating point error.  Use
  isosurfaces instead.

- Isosurfaces are slow.  Use higher order polynomials instead.

- Counterintuitively, applying split_union off to the entire object slowed
  down rendering by an order of magnitude.

- Applying split_union off to Round_Box_Union and Round_Cylinder_Union (and
  to similar custom-written macros) cut rendering times in half.

- Area_light can be interminable.  This image was first rendered without
  area lights.  The shadows of the handle and reflective sphere were done
  in partial renders, then patched into the main image.


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From: Jim Charter
Subject: Re: Yet another RSOCP
Date: 18 May 2008 18:21:34
Message: <4830abee$1@news.povray.org>
Cousin Ricky wrote:
> The blue and gold are my high school alma mater's colors.  Sorry, no kitchen
> probe.
> 
> Lessons learned:
> 
> - Higher order polynomials are very sensitive to floating point error.  Use
>   isosurfaces instead.
> 
> - Isosurfaces are slow.  Use higher order polynomials instead.
> 
> - Counterintuitively, applying split_union off to the entire object slowed
>   down rendering by an order of magnitude.
> 
> - Applying split_union off to Round_Box_Union and Round_Cylinder_Union (and
>   to similar custom-written macros) cut rendering times in half.
> 
> - Area_light can be interminable.  This image was first rendered without
>   area lights.  The shadows of the handle and reflective sphere were done
>   in partial renders, then patched into the main image.
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
That's some beautiful modelling and texturing.  The piece of the plane 
next to the grip at the top looks like it is off center?  Perhaps an 
unfortunate illusion that it comes nearer the grip than it really does?


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From: triple r
Subject: Re: Yet another RSOCP
Date: 18 May 2008 22:35:00
Message: <web.4830e6b45fd2b3cfdcb320720@news.povray.org>
"Cousin Ricky" <ric### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
> The blue and gold are my high school alma mater's colors.  Sorry, no kitchen
> probe.
>
> Lessons learned:
>
> - Higher order polynomials are very sensitive to floating point error.  Use
>   isosurfaces instead.
>
> - Isosurfaces are slow.  Use higher order polynomials instead.
>
> - Counterintuitively, applying split_union off to the entire object slowed
>   down rendering by an order of magnitude.
>
> - Applying split_union off to Round_Box_Union and Round_Cylinder_Union (and
>   to similar custom-written macros) cut rendering times in half.
>
> - Area_light can be interminable.  This image was first rendered without
>   area lights.  The shadows of the handle and reflective sphere were done
>   in partial renders, then patched into the main image.

That is some very impressive modeling.  Wow.  Just wow.

 - Ricky


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From: Kenneth
Subject: Re: Yet another RSOCP
Date: 19 May 2008 08:45:00
Message: <web.483174fe5fd2b3cf78dcad930@news.povray.org>
I really like the selective reflection in the blue-and-gold texture, an effect
not usually attempted in most image posts I've seen. The entire image is
superb.

Ken W.


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From: Alain
Subject: Re: Yet another RSOCP
Date: 19 May 2008 15:33:18
Message: <4831d5fe$1@news.povray.org>
Cousin Ricky nous illumina en ce 2008-05-18 12:27 -->
> The blue and gold are my high school alma mater's colors.  Sorry, no kitchen
> probe.
> 
> Lessons learned:
> 
> - Higher order polynomials are very sensitive to floating point error.  Use
>   isosurfaces instead.
> 
> - Isosurfaces are slow.  Use higher order polynomials instead.
> 
> - Counterintuitively, applying split_union off to the entire object slowed
>   down rendering by an order of magnitude.
> 
> - Applying split_union off to Round_Box_Union and Round_Cylinder_Union (and
>   to similar custom-written macros) cut rendering times in half.
> 
> - Area_light can be interminable.  This image was first rendered without
>   area lights.  The shadows of the handle and reflective sphere were done
>   in partial renders, then patched into the main image.
You realy need to add "adaptive" to your area_light. It will greatly improve 
your rendering time.
Start with adaptive 0, and increase it if you get artefacts.
With adaptive 0, it's beter to use some specific array samples: 5x5, 9x9, 17x17, 
33x33, 65x65,... this due to the way the adaptive sampling is conducted. If you 
use a treshold larger than adaptive 0, start with the next value in the list.
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
Very nice twist on an old cliché.

-- 
Alain
-------------------------------------------------
Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?


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From: Mike the Elder
Subject: Re: Yet another RSOCP
Date: 21 May 2008 17:15:00
Message: <web.48348fdd5fd2b3cfaaf01cad0@news.povray.org>
"Cousin Ricky" <ric### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
> The blue and gold are my high school alma mater's colors.  Sorry, no kitchen
> probe.
>
.....
I think your pun image beats mine hands down, but I believe they make an
interesting pair. So, here it is for the sake of company.

Best Regards,
Mike C.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Yet another RSOCP
Date: 21 May 2008 17:48:55
Message: <a569349s8m3hr6o19asf6spvgie3742346@4ax.com>
On Wed, 21 May 2008 17:11:30 EDT, "Mike the Elder" <nomail@nomail>
wrote:

>"Cousin Ricky" <ric### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
>> The blue and gold are my high school alma mater's colors.  Sorry, no kitchen
>> probe.
>>
>.....
>I think your pun image beats mine hands down, but I believe they make an
>interesting pair. So, here it is for the sake of company.
>
That sphere is looking very reflective :)

Maybe we could have a RSOACP library?
-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Cousin Ricky
Subject: Re: Yet another RSOCP
Date: 21 May 2008 23:10:00
Message: <web.4834e3e55fd2b3cf85de7b680@news.povray.org>
Jim Charter <jrc### [at] msncom> wrote:
> That's some beautiful modelling and texturing.  The piece of the plane
> next to the grip at the top looks like it is off center?  Perhaps an
> unfortunate illusion that it comes nearer the grip than it really does?

Thanks.  The blade is centered; the off-center look is an unfortunate illusion
that i didn't notice when i was placing the lamps.


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From: Cousin Ricky
Subject: Re: Yet another RSOCP
Date: 21 May 2008 23:25:00
Message: <web.4834e6395fd2b3cf85de7b680@news.povray.org>
Alain <ele### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
> You realy need to add "adaptive" to your area_light. It will greatly improve
> your rendering time.
> Start with adaptive 0, and increase it if you get artefacts.
> With adaptive 0, it's beter to use some specific array samples: 5x5, 9x9, 17x17,
> 33x33, 65x65,... this due to the way the adaptive sampling is conducted. If you
> use a treshold larger than adaptive 0, start with the next value in the list.

Let's see... (Double-checking "lamp.inc"...)

I'm using 5x5 with circular orient adaptive 1.


> Very nice twist on an old cliché.

Thank you.


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From: Alain
Subject: Re: Yet another RSOCP
Date: 22 May 2008 11:30:29
Message: <48359195@news.povray.org>
Cousin Ricky nous illumina en ce 2008-05-21 23:19 -->
> Alain <ele### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
>> You realy need to add "adaptive" to your area_light. It will greatly improve
>> your rendering time.
>> Start with adaptive 0, and increase it if you get artefacts.
>> With adaptive 0, it's beter to use some specific array samples: 5x5, 9x9, 17x17,
>> 33x33, 65x65,... this due to the way the adaptive sampling is conducted. If you
>> use a treshold larger than adaptive 0, start with the next value in the list.
> 
> Let's see... (Double-checking "lamp.inc"...)
> 
> I'm using 5x5 with circular orient adaptive 1.
> 
> 
>> Very nice twist on an old cliché.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
5x5 with adaptive 1 give you almost no gain over non-adaptive. It start at 3x3 
and occasionaly samples in between. You can go much higher.
In your case, adaptive 0 will very probably give good results. The area_light is 
relatively small compared to the light-object distance. The object receiving the 
shadow is close to the one casting it. The parts of the shadow that could cause 
problems are not visible.

Using 9x9 and adaptive 0 will be faster.

-- 
Alain
-------------------------------------------------
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their
own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth
of labor and bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
Thomas Jefferson


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