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From: Txemi Jendrix
Subject: WIP Occam's razor 02
Date: 28 May 2007 13:10:01
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Hi all.
This is a new version with some adjustments on lightning, materials and
focal blur.
Hope you like it.
Bye.

Txemi Jendrix
http://www.txemijendrix.com


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: WIP Occam's razor 02
Date: 29 May 2007 03:15:50
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"Txemi Jendrix" <nomail@nomail> schreef in bericht 
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> Hi all.
> This is a new version with some adjustments on lightning, materials and
> focal blur.
> Hope you like it.
> Bye.


Elegant, like William's Razor.
Out of curiosity, I just browsed again through William of Occam's book I 
have here. No easy stuff. He uses his Razor to prove the existence of God in 
a "scientific" way.

Thomas


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From: Marc
Subject: Re: WIP Occam's razor 02
Date: 29 May 2007 04:32:34
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> Out of curiosity, I just browsed again through William of Occam's book I 
> have here. No easy stuff. He uses his Razor to prove the existence of God 
> in a "scientific" way.
>
> Thomas
Occam's razor is just a tool. You can make anything with a tool, even try to 
plug a screw with a hammer :-)


Marc


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: WIP Occam's razor 02
Date: 29 May 2007 11:04:11
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"Marc" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> schreef in bericht 
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> news: 465bd326$1@news.povray.org...
>>
>> Out of curiosity, I just browsed again through William of Occam's book I 
>> have here. No easy stuff. He uses his Razor to prove the existence of God 
>> in a "scientific" way.
>>
>> Thomas
> Occam's razor is just a tool. You can make anything with a tool, even try 
> to plug a screw with a hammer :-)
>
>
Oh yes, sure! However, the tool was supremely important to Occam for his 
demonstration. And I don't think that he considered it merely as a tool... 
He tried to find the ultimate proof.

Thomas


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From: Cousin Ricky
Subject: Re: WIP Occam's razor 02
Date: 5 Jun 2007 20:40:01
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"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlDOTnet> wrote:
> Elegant, like William's Razor.
> Out of curiosity, I just browsed again through William of Occam's book I
> have here. No easy stuff. He uses his Razor to prove the existence of God in
> a "scientific" way.

That's odd, because many people consider God the ultimate violation of
Occam's razor!  But then, William of Occam didn't have the benefit of
today's scientific knowledge.  While science has not disproved God, it is
giving God less and less to do.

I'll have to take a look at "Occam's proof."

One example of Occam's god getting his razor was Benjamin Franklin's kite
trick. When he demonstrated that lighning was nothing more than a humongous
electric spark, and could be defeated with nothing more sophisticated than a
metal rod, God's wrath became a superfluous entity--and a rather wimpy one
at that, if a heathen like Franklin could control it!  Franklin also pared
away any entities needed to explain why God smote church steeples far more
often than brothels.

The scientific method itself has also advanced.  If one were to propose a
scientific hypothesis "God exists," one must be able to test it some place
other than a book (an exercise conveniently forbidden by most religions,
incidentally).  That there is no science of theology shows that William
came short of today's lab standards.  Ironically, these modern standards
speak *not* of proofs, but of falsification and best explanations.


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: WIP Occam's razor 02
Date: 7 Jun 2007 03:11:42
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"Cousin Ricky" <ric### [at] yahoocom> schreef in bericht 
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> "Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlDOTnet> wrote:
>> Elegant, like William's Razor.
>> Out of curiosity, I just browsed again through William of Occam's book I
>> have here. No easy stuff. He uses his Razor to prove the existence of God 
>> in
>> a "scientific" way.
>
> That's odd, because many people consider God the ultimate violation of
> Occam's razor!  But then, William of Occam didn't have the benefit of
> today's scientific knowledge.  While science has not disproved God, it is
> giving God less and less to do.
>

Yes, but William was living in another age. "Science" did not exist then as 
we know it today, and his razor was anything but "scientific". That has been 
taken up at later times.

Thomas


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