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From: Yuri Hikado
Subject: Posable mech
Date: 2 Jun 2005 11:55:01
Message: <web.429f2a7f1f2d92409d2a859a0@news.povray.org>
This is a model of Iron Wind Metal's reseen Marauder miniature for Classic
Battletech. The model is almost fully posable, with variables set at the
top for ease of use.

Trees made with POV-Tree 1.5

Buildings from http://www.battletech-movie.com/ converted in POV-Ray


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From: Orchid XP v2
Subject: Re: Posable mech
Date: 2 Jun 2005 14:54:11
Message: <429f55d3$1@news.povray.org>
Just out of curiosity... what *is* a "mech"? Seem to be quite a few 
posts on this NG that mention them.


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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: Posable mech
Date: 2 Jun 2005 15:34:22
Message: <429f5f3e$1@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v2 wrote:
> Just out of curiosity... what *is* a "mech"? Seem to be quite a few 
> posts on this NG that mention them.

Mech is short for "Mechanical Thingamabobby" Usually has some oddly 
shaped body over two legs. IOW I have no idea, but it sure seems popular.

-- 
~Mike

Things! Billions of them!


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Posable mech
Date: 2 Jun 2005 16:45:42
Message: <pan.2005.06.02.20.45.42.379895@nospam.com>
On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 19:54:11 +0100, Orchid XP v2 wrote:

> Just out of curiosity... what *is* a "mech"? Seem to be quite a few posts
> on this NG that mention them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mech

A.K.A. "Mecha", part of a genre of anime that AFAIK originated in Japan.

Jim


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From: Yuri Hikado
Subject: Re: Posable mech
Date: 2 Jun 2005 16:55:00
Message: <web.429f718a7c9cdccf9d2a859a0@news.povray.org>
Mike Raiford <mra### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> Orchid XP v2 wrote:
> > Just out of curiosity... what *is* a "mech"? Seem to be quite a few
> > posts on this NG that mention them.
>
> Mech is short for "Mechanical Thingamabobby" Usually has some oddly
> shaped body over two legs. IOW I have no idea, but it sure seems popular.
>
> --
> ~Mike
>
> Things! Billions of them!

They are like big robots, but instead of AI, people pilot them. It's a SciFi
thing. Mecha is an anime genre using these; such as Robotech/Macross or
Gundam

'Mech and Battlemech are trademarks of WizKid's for Battletech (A game
setting which includes MechWarrior and XBox's MechAssault)


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From: Jim Charter
Subject: Re: Posable mech
Date: 2 Jun 2005 17:09:46
Message: <429f759a@news.povray.org>
Yuri Hikado wrote:
> Mike Raiford <mra### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> 
>>Orchid XP v2 wrote:
>>
>>>Just out of curiosity... what *is* a "mech"? Seem to be quite a few
>>>posts on this NG that mention them.
>>
>>Mech is short for "Mechanical Thingamabobby" Usually has some oddly
>>shaped body over two legs. IOW I have no idea, but it sure seems popular.
>>
>>--
>>~Mike
>>
>>Things! Billions of them!
> 
> 
> They are like big robots, but instead of AI, people pilot them. It's a SciFi
> thing. Mecha is an anime genre using these; such as Robotech/Macross or
> Gundam
> 
> 'Mech and Battlemech are trademarks of WizKid's for Battletech (A game
> setting which includes MechWarrior and XBox's MechAssault)
> 
I had always though they originated in the Star Wars movies. No?


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Posable mech
Date: 2 Jun 2005 17:52:00
Message: <pan.2005.06.02.21.52.00.197195@nospam.com>
On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 17:09:45 -0400, Jim Charter wrote:

> I had always though they originated in the Star Wars movies. No?

Nope, the term at least originated with Japanese anime/manga; according to
the wikipedia article, the mecha genre started in 1956 or 1958 (two
articles have different dates) with a manga called Tetsujin 28-go that was
made into an anime in 1963 that outside of Japan was called "Gigantor".

In recalling my childhood memories of mecha, they were always bipedal, and
had a single pilot, which the Star Wars AT-AT and AT-ST didn't have.
Robotech and Macross pre-date the AT-ATs seen in Empire Strikes Back by a
couple of years as well, as does the fairly popular Gundam series.  I
can't think of anything in the original Star Wars film that came close to
being a Mech; TIE and X-Wing fighers are more closely aligned with
aeronautics than robotics, and R2D2 and C-3PO are both autonomous robots;
while in the strictest sense of the Japanese word "meka", autonomous
robots (and even electrical appliances) would fit the definition, but the
definition of the genre is a bit more constrained than the general word
usage.

Jim


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From: dlm
Subject: Re: Posable mech
Date: 2 Jun 2005 18:36:09
Message: <429f89d9@news.povray.org>
Surely HG Wells 1898 classic 'War of the Worlds' takes the prize for 
granddaddy of the genre with his tripedal alien mecha?
See e.g. http://www.stellabooks.com/images/hgwells/war_of_worlds.jpg
DLM

"Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message 
news:pan### [at] nospamcom...
> On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 17:09:45 -0400, Jim Charter wrote:
>
>> I had always though they originated in the Star Wars movies. No?
>
> Nope, the term at least originated with Japanese anime/manga; according to
> the wikipedia article, the mecha genre started in 1956 or 1958 (two
> articles have different dates) with a manga called Tetsujin 28-go that was
> made into an anime in 1963 that outside of Japan was called "Gigantor".
>
> In recalling my childhood memories of mecha, they were always bipedal, and
> had a single pilot, which the Star Wars AT-AT and AT-ST didn't have.
> Robotech and Macross pre-date the AT-ATs seen in Empire Strikes Back by a
> couple of years as well, as does the fairly popular Gundam series.  I
> can't think of anything in the original Star Wars film that came close to
> being a Mech; TIE and X-Wing fighers are more closely aligned with
> aeronautics than robotics, and R2D2 and C-3PO are both autonomous robots;
> while in the strictest sense of the Japanese word "meka", autonomous
> robots (and even electrical appliances) would fit the definition, but the
> definition of the genre is a bit more constrained than the general word
> usage.
>
> Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Posable mech
Date: 2 Jun 2005 19:27:13
Message: <pan.2005.06.02.23.27.10.927023@nospam.com>
On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 18:36:12 -0400, dlm wrote:

> Surely HG Wells 1898 classic 'War of the Worlds' takes the prize for
> granddaddy of the genre with his tripedal alien mecha? See e.g.
> http://www.stellabooks.com/images/hgwells/war_of_worlds.jpg DLM

Well, the mecha I've seen in the genre tend to be bipedal; but all I see
there is cover art, in the story 'The War of the Worlds', several
different types of machines are described (a shield that later becomes the
first of the tripedal machines), and a larger version ("higher than many
houses").

Certainly a case could be made that the device might be manned, but I
can't find anything in a quick scan of the text that says it is (or isn't).

While I'm far from an expert in what would constitue a Mecha, the genre
seems defined in terms of Anime and Manga, and little else.

Jim


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From: Alain
Subject: Re: Posable mech
Date: 2 Jun 2005 20:21:48
Message: <429fa29c$1@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v2 nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 2005-06-02 14:54:
> Just out of curiosity... what *is* a "mech"? Seem to be quite a few 
> posts on this NG that mention them.
In the present case, a mech is a shorthand for "Mechwarior" in a game named
Battletech.
They are gient, piloted, vaguely humanoid battle machines. Most are bipedal, but some
are 
quadrupedal. They are equiped with a variety of SF weapons like laser and particle
pulse beams. They 
can also have rockets, some canons and possibly machin guns. One is even equiped with
a mighty axe!
The original game was played with pen, paper and miniatures. There exist some
computer, real time 
adaptations.

Alain


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