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From: Clarence1898
Subject: Terminator - "TerminatorSide.png" yEnc
Date: 21 Aug 2025 10:47:21
Message: <68a73179$5@news.povray.org>


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Attachments:
Download '=ybegin line=128 size=79710 name=TerminatorSide.png.dat' (81 KB)

From: jr
Subject: Re: Terminator - "TerminatorSide.png" yEnc
Date: 21 Aug 2025 11:05:00
Message: <web.68a73541e9587af47b8494536cde94f1@news.povray.org>
hi,

Clarence1898 <dle### [at] comcastnet> wrote:
> ...
Attachments:
Download '=ybegin line=128 size=79710 name=TerminatorSide.png.dat' (81 KB)

none of those three files download or display, for me, unsurprising perhaps
given the names ;-).


regards, jr.


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From: Alain Martel
Subject: Re: Terminator
Date: 21 Aug 2025 11:10:50
Message: <68a736fa$1@news.povray.org>
Le 2025-08-21 à 10:47, Clarence1898 a écrit :
> No, not about Arnold.  I have always liked to model odd things.  This is
> from my early mainframe days.  Control units were daisy chained on channel
> cables.  This gadget was attached at the end to terminate the channel
> cable.  I doubt that I will ever use it in a scene, but it was fun to
> model.
> 

Please, do NOT use yEnc. Almost nobody can see your image. yEnc is 
fatally broken. Let it die. Unless I have support for the exact same 
version as you do, all I can see is strings of random garbage like this :
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From: Alain Martel
Subject: Re: Terminator - "TerminatorSide.png" yEnc
Date: 21 Aug 2025 11:24:06
Message: <68a73a16$1@news.povray.org>
Le 2025-08-21 à 11:03, jr a écrit :
> hi,
> 
> Clarence1898 <dle### [at] comcastnet> wrote:
>> ...
> Attachments:
> Download '=ybegin line=128 size=79710 name=TerminatorSide.png.dat' (81 KB)
> 
> none of those three files download or display, for me, unsurprising perhaps
> given the names ;-).
> 
> 
> regards, jr.
> 

Welcome to the nightmare that is yEnc encoding. A format that is 
incompatible with pretty much all E-mail clients and web browsers. You 
need a special yEnc E-mail client to view that.
Even better, clients from one source may not properly display a post 
made with a client from another source.


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From: jr
Subject: Re: Terminator - "TerminatorSide.png" yEnc
Date: 21 Aug 2025 11:50:00
Message: <web.68a73fdba7006c4b7b8494536cde94f1@news.povray.org>
hi,

Alain Martel <kua### [at] videotronca> wrote:

> > ...
> > none of those three files download or display, ...
>
> Welcome to the nightmare that is yEnc encoding. A format that is
> incompatible with pretty much all E-mail clients and web browsers. You
> need a special yEnc E-mail client to view that.
> Even better, clients from one source may not properly display a post
> made with a client from another source.

thanks for the heads-up, had not known of this abomination </grin>.  Wikipedia
explains: The name yEncode is a wordplay on "Why encode?".  quite..


regards, jr.


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From: Clarence1898
Subject: Re: Terminator
Date: 21 Aug 2025 18:20:00
Message: <web.68a79ac25b6ab7358db55336e0accf30@news.povray.org>
Clarence1898 <dle### [at] comcastnet> wrote:
> No, not about Arnold.  I have always liked to model odd things.  This is
> from my early mainframe days.  Control units were daisy chained on channel
> cables.  This gadget was attached at the end to terminate the channel
> cable.  I doubt that I will ever use it in a scene, but it was fun to
> model.

My apologies to everyone.  I couldn't figure how to attach multiple files with
the povray web page.  I tried a news reader program not realizing how it encoded
the files.  How do I attach multiple files in a povray post?


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Terminator
Date: 21 Aug 2025 19:17:45
Message: <68a7a919$1@news.povray.org>
On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 18:16:34 EDT, Clarence1898 wrote:

> My apologies to everyone.  I couldn't figure how to attach multiple
> files with the povray web page.  I tried a news reader program not
> realizing how it encoded the files.  How do I attach multiple files in a
> povray post?

Probably the best thing to do is use something like Thunderbird.  The 
version of Pan you tried is pretty old (the current version is 0.164, you 
tried 0.149, which came out in 2021.

The current version doesn't include file attachments (that I can see).

FWIW, using Pan 0.163, I was able to see the images you uploaded just 
fine, but the web interface hasn't implemented a decoder for it.

And, of course, Thunderbird doesn't understand it either.  The yenc 
website also appears to be offline at the moment, though it was active as 
recently as June of this year.

-- 
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and 
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Terminator - "TerminatorSide.png" yEnc
Date: 21 Aug 2025 19:26:19
Message: <68a7ab1b$1@news.povray.org>
On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 11:48:43 EDT, jr wrote:

> thanks for the heads-up, had not known of this abomination </grin>. 
> Wikipedia explains: The name yEncode is a wordplay on "Why encode?". 
> quite..

The Wikipedia author must have asked ChatGPT. :laughing:

Here's what the official site says (pulled from the Internet Archive as 
the site seems to be offline):

"You might ask why the name of this thing is "yEnc" - yEncoding, 
yDecoding.
Well - I did introduce the name "MyNews" for another project (in 1997) 
long before everybody began to use My-Xxxx for his services or domain 
names. When I designed the new encoding I needed any name for it. But as 
all the 'MyXxxx' names were already in use (so I could not use MyEnc). I 
wanted a new name - which is nearly unique on the Internet. The name 
"yEncode" was never used - and the short form would be yEnc. The file-
extension *.ync would also be unique - so I found a short and good name."

https://web.archive.org/web/20240704064321/http://www.yenc.org/whatis.htm

-- 
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and 
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw


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From: jr
Subject: Re: Terminator - "TerminatorSide.png" yEnc
Date: 22 Aug 2025 03:40:00
Message: <web.68a81d98a7006c4b7b8494536cde94f1@news.povray.org>
hi,

Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 11:48:43 EDT, jr wrote:
> ...
> > Wikipedia explains: The name yEncode is a wordplay on "Why encode?".
> > quite..
>
> The Wikipedia author must have asked ChatGPT. :laughing:
>
> Here's what the official site says (pulled from the Internet Archive as
> the site seems to be offline):

thank you for the explanation.  I had wondered, seeing the file names, if
there'd been a "configuration issue".  fwiw, the more "glib" version does sort
of sum it all up, neatly.


@Clarence1998
the web-ui is "clunky", but your previous posts were alright, so why not simply
"revert" to that method ?


regards, jr.


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From: Alain Martel
Subject: Re: Terminator
Date: 22 Aug 2025 06:50:07
Message: <68a84b5f$1@news.povray.org>
Le 2025-08-21 à 18:16, Clarence1898 a écrit :
> Clarence1898 <dle### [at] comcastnet> wrote:
>> No, not about Arnold.  I have always liked to model odd things.  This is
>> from my early mainframe days.  Control units were daisy chained on channel
>> cables.  This gadget was attached at the end to terminate the channel
>> cable.  I doubt that I will ever use it in a scene, but it was fun to
>> model.
> 
> My apologies to everyone.  I couldn't figure how to attach multiple files with
> the povray web page.  I tried a news reader program not realizing how it encoded
> the files.  How do I attach multiple files in a povray post?
> 
 From the web interface, you can only attach a single file.
You need to use a proper client. I recommend Thunderbird. In a pinch, 
you may even use Outlook/Outlook Express.


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