Well this my first 'own time' render, the glasses are based on my own and 
the book was placed to show the ior of the lenses. I've noticed that the 
brightness setting on another monitor affects it quite a bit, on mine you 
can't see the top right edge of the spotlight beyond the book, if I get a 
chance I'll shift the spot a bit and twiddle with anything else anyone can 
suggest.

OK here goes critique away <gulp>

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It's really a great pic.

It's a great direction to go in.  Atmospheric still life.  I love that. 
   The main drawback for me is that the book needs to be brought up to 
the same level of detail as the glasses.  It looks like a " box { 
something, something texture { pigment { Red } ...."  if you catch my 
meaning.

I wonder what would happen if you played with the color of the media a bit?

I wonder if you like the paintings of Walter Murch?  Unfortunately I can 
find only one example and it doesn't really demonstate the "oily" light 
and atmosphere he was such a master of.
http://www.butlerart.com/pc_book/pages/walter_murch_1907.htm

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On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 09:49:12 -0500, Jim Charter <jrc### [at] msncom> wrote:

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> It's really a great pic.

</gulp>Thank you

> It's a great direction to go in.  Atmospheric still life.  I love that. 
>    The main drawback for me is that the book needs to be brought up to 
> the same level of detail as the glasses.  It looks like a " box { 
> something, something texture { pigment { Red } ...."  if you catch my 
> meaning.

Thanks, yeah the book was an afterthought, a shoe-in to show up the lense, 
it's actually a union of five scaled cylinders for the spine with a box 
for the main part with text laid on. It doesn't project the 'right' angle 
when the spotlight is on compared to an area_light and the curved spine 
needs to be more pronounced. There's a bump/warp normal on the book I had 
trouble with applying to the union as a entirety and added up defining it 
for each part; I think I'll try a crackle next.  It's definitely something 
I've got to bring up to scratch.

I do love set-pieces, I wouldn't call it still-life more like slices of 
time with non-moving parts :), coupled with my love of light seems to make 
this sort of thing the obvious direction for me, next project: a columned 
stone corridor with a couple of stained glass windows shining light 
through, I'm looking forward to trying something with dust-motes :)

> I wonder what would happen if you played with the color of the media a 
> bit?

Do you mean changing the colour of the spot or the scattering media (Type 
1 rgb 0.2) or both. Hmm a touch of yellow might be nice

> I wonder if you like the paintings of Walter Murch?  Unfortunately I can 
> find only one example and it doesn't really demonstate the "oily" light 
> and atmosphere he was such a master of.
> http://www.butlerart.com/pc_book/pages/walter_murch_1907.htm

Walter Murch? Not heard of him looked at the link you posted and:
http://www.tibordenagy.com/artists/murch_works2.html
tried googling 'Walter Murch works' seems to produce a few more examples. 
I prefer more ultra-realistic works than the examples shown here but the 
light and 'fuzziness' is definitely my taste, being rather short-sighted 
taking off my glasses means the whole world looks like that.

Thanks for the comments I'll start tweaking.

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"Phil Cook" <phi### [at] nospamdeckingdealscouk> wrote in message
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Nice pic, but the light is in a bizarre place. A light-source which
suggests some geometry outside of the scene would IMO be a real
improvement. Something like a crack of light through a door would suit
the mood. Placing the book and glasses on a table would allow you to do
this and still maintain a spotlight effect.

 -Shay

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Phil Cook wrote:

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> Do you mean changing the colour of the spot or the scattering media 
> (Type 1 rgb 0.2) or both. Hmm a touch of yellow might be nice
> 

Yes, I was just talking of the artistic effect not the technical how to.

> 
> Walter Murch? Not heard of him looked at the link you posted and:
> http://www.tibordenagy.com/artists/murch_works2.html
> tried googling 'Walter Murch works' seems to produce a few more 

Murch was/is a minor celebrity. He worked as a commercial illustrator 
but showed as a painter.  His still life paintings got some attention 
but there are very few extant and even fewer reproductions of them 
available.  So I think they are now trying to promote every extant 
thing: commercial, bad, or otherwise.  I mentioned him only so that you 
might keep an eye peeled for his work.  Examples are actually really 
hard to find. :(  But his best exhibit a very moody, atmospheric, light 
combined with a bravura painting technique and a small intimate scale. 
They express a strong sense of moment.

-Jim

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On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:44:28 -0600, Shay <sah### [at] simcopartscom> wrote:

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> "Phil Cook" <phi### [at] nospamdeckingdealscouk> wrote in message
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> | OK here goes critique away <gulp>
>
> Nice pic, but the light is in a bizarre place. A light-source which
> suggests some geometry outside of the scene would IMO be a real
> improvement. Something like a crack of light through a door would suit
> the mood. Placing the book and glasses on a table would allow you to do
> this and still maintain a spotlight effect.

Thanks Shay, the spotlight was originally going to part of a desk-lamp but 
it didn't fit the mood (too cluttered), I see what you mean about making 
the unseen impinge on the picture though. Yet more twiddling to do.

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High!

Phil Cook schrieb:

  Well this my first 'own time' render, the glasses are based on my own and
  the book was placed to show the ior of the lenses.

I think the glasses would benefit from some highlights...

See you in Khyberspace!

Yadgar

Now playing: Mae West (Taco)

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<spa### [at] gmxde> wrote:

> High!
>
> Phil Cook schrieb:
>
>   Well this my first 'own time' render, the glasses are based on my own 
> and
>   the book was placed to show the ior of the lenses.
>
> I think the glasses would benefit from some highlights...
>
> See you in Khyberspace!

Thanks for the suggestion. I don't think they would show up that well to 
be honest, and if I enhanced them it might spoil the mood, I've also moved 
things about a bit and changed lights, media etc. which makes a 
difference. I'm rendering at the moment so I'll post the updated image in 
about an hour, but I'll certainly try one with highlights and see how it 
looks.

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A new render. Added a door frame effect, which I think works quite well 
(thank you Shay); altered the media to cast a slight yellow hint which I 
think works better with the light cast (thank you Jim). And of course 
changed the box :) still not that happy with the book cover texture but at 
least it's not so flat looking.

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You're reminding me of how complex and engaging an apparently simple 
still life can be.

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