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From: Christoph Hormann
Subject: lotw improved [280k]
Date: 10 May 2005 03:40:26
Message: <d5po7n$41h$1@chho.imagico.de>
Yet another rework of a LOTW scene.

Also the first serious render i did on my new computer, less than two 
days for ~7000x5000.

Some post processing (removal of cloud artefacts, filtering and scaling).

See:

http://www.tu-bs.de/%7Ey0013390/lotw2/data/lotw_scene_038_09.html

for the basis.

I am not yet satisfied with the background mountains (they don't seem 
very realistic) so i consider changing them.

Christoph

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From: scott
Subject: Re: lotw improved [280k]
Date: 10 May 2005 03:52:32
Message: <42806840$1@news.povray.org>
Christoph Hormann wrote:
> Yet another rework of a LOTW scene.

Wow, you certainly have got the lighting working well, the foreground looks
very photo-realistic.  The plants look great, are they SDL or mesh?

> I am not yet satisfied with the background mountains (they don't seem
> very realistic) so i consider changing them.

Yes, the mountains on the left side look a little too "CG", but maybe you
get them like that IRL?

Also, I think the clouds maybe look a bit too "artistic", I can't really put
my finger on it, but it looks more like a very good painting than a photo.
Maybe it's because there aren't any clouds right in the distance on the
horizon?  I don't know, I live in England, we rarely get that much blue in
the sky ;-)


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From: Severi Salminen
Subject: Re: lotw improved [280k]
Date: 10 May 2005 04:12:54
Message: <42806d06$1@news.povray.org>
Christoph Hormann wrote:

> I am not yet satisfied with the background mountains (they don't seem 
> very realistic) so i consider changing them.

The foreground is indeed very photorealistic! I don't know about the 
mountains but they look wrong to me also. Should they get more light or 
what? Now it looks like they are being lit with a reflector or something.


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From: Paolo Gibellini
Subject: Re: lotw improved [280k]
Date: 10 May 2005 07:42:06
Message: <42809e0e$1@news.povray.org>
Awesome!
;-)
Paolo


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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: lotw improved [280k]
Date: 10 May 2005 07:46:24
Message: <42809f10$1@news.povray.org>
Christoph Hormann wrote:
> 
> Yet another rework of a LOTW scene.
> 
> Also the first serious render i did on my new computer, less than two 
> days for ~7000x5000.
> 
> Some post processing (removal of cloud artefacts, filtering and scaling).
> 
> See:
> 
> http://www.tu-bs.de/%7Ey0013390/lotw2/data/lotw_scene_038_09.html
> 
> for the basis.
> 
> I am not yet satisfied with the background mountains (they don't seem 
> very realistic) so i consider changing them.
> 
> Christoph
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 

 From the top of the bush, down it looks like a photo. The *only* 
giveaway is the clouds. The mountains look a bit too soft for their 
environment. I'm still awestruck. If it werent for the problem areas you 
pointed out, I'd be hard-pressed to guess this was CG.

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From: Christoph Hormann
Subject: Re: lotw improved [280k]
Date: 10 May 2005 08:30:01
Message: <d5q9ev$7mo$1@chho.imagico.de>
scott wrote:
> 
> Wow, you certainly have got the lighting working well, the foreground looks
> very photo-realistic.

Thanks.

> The plants look great, are they SDL or mesh?

both (SDL generated mesh).

> 
> Yes, the mountains on the left side look a little too "CG", but maybe you
> get them like that IRL?

They need to be rougher in the steep parts.

Christoph

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HCR-Edit and more: http://www.tu-bs.de/~y0013390/
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From: Christoph Hormann
Subject: Re: lotw improved [280k]
Date: 10 May 2005 08:35:02
Message: <d5q9i4$7mo$2@chho.imagico.de>
Severi Salminen wrote:
> 
> The foreground is indeed very photorealistic! I don't know about the 
> mountains but they look wrong to me also. Should they get more light or 
> what? Now it looks like they are being lit with a reflector or something.

The clouds cast quite some shadow on the mountains.  Apart from that the 
ground texture is of course fairly dark (as you can see in the foreground).

I don't think the texture is the problem, it's the geometry that needs 
to be improved.

Christoph

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From: stm31415
Subject: Re: lotw improved [280k]
Date: 10 May 2005 08:40:00
Message: <web.4280aaf52cf437b2f746b6910@news.povray.org>
> >
> > I am not yet satisfied with the background mountains (they don't seem
> > very realistic) so i consider changing them.
> >


VERY nice. The foreground is incredible. The clouds are alittle off, but I
agree that the mountains on the left are at issue.

Yeah, I think the issue here is that they are very pointy (i.e. young,
geologically speaking) and yet very smooth (high erosion) The landscape
looks fairly dry, so unless you attest to high and constant winds (over a
disproportionate amount of time) they are just too smooth. They want cracks
and boulders and stuff. Now, how to do that? I have no clue. But that's why
you're called Christoph, and when I'm called anything, I only get one lousy
letter ;)

-s

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From: Christoph Hormann
Subject: Re: lotw improved [280k]
Date: 10 May 2005 08:40:02
Message: <d5q9up$7qr$1@chho.imagico.de>
Mike Raiford wrote:
> 
>  From the top of the bush, down it looks like a photo. The *only* 
> giveaway is the clouds.

What's wrong with the clouds? Surely they are not perfect but i don't 
really see something wrong in particular about them.  When i look out of 
the window right now i see clouds quite similar in coloring - more dense 
than in the image though.

Maybe they should be more and smaller - they are really quite large 
compared to the terrain.

Christoph

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HCR-Edit and more: http://www.tu-bs.de/~y0013390/
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From: Martin Magnusson
Subject: Re: lotw improved [280k]
Date: 10 May 2005 09:52:35
Message: <4280bca3$1@news.povray.org>
This is doubtlessly the best landscape I have ever seen done with POV. 
Truly excellent work - I love the high contrast and sharpness of the 
foreground.

The clouds seem just fine to me. Like you said, the only weakness, if I 
were pressed to find a weakness, would be the background mountains. They 
look too much like a height_field, IMHO.

/ martin


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