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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Bad weather in Gancaloon [wip 1]
Date: 3 Oct 2013 04:30:28
Message: <524d2b24@news.povray.org>
That the weather in Gancaloon is not always warm and sunny is proven by 
this first wip.

I used Jaime's rain macro of course. Thanks Jaime! The foreground now 
needs the wet look and the rain splashes expected there. And some 
figures of course. Lightning in the distance too.

I got my inspiration from this art for Game of Thrones: 
http://aidanmoher.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/GOT_dothrak.jpeg

Thomas


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From: Paolo Gibellini
Subject: Re: Bad weather in Gancaloon [wip 1]
Date: 3 Oct 2013 06:12:50
Message: <524d4322$1@news.povray.org>
>Thomas de Groot  on date 03/10/2013 10.30 wrote:
> That the weather in Gancaloon is not always warm and sunny is proven by
> this first wip.
>
> I used Jaime's rain macro of course. Thanks Jaime! The foreground now
> needs the wet look and the rain splashes expected there. And some
> figures of course. Lightning in the distance too.
>
> I got my inspiration from this art for Game of Thrones:
> http://aidanmoher.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/GOT_dothrak.jpeg
>
> Thomas
It seems a very cold day.
And it would not surprise me to see soon ghosts wandering at twilight...
;-)
Paolo


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From: Paolo Gibellini
Subject: Re: Bad weather in Gancaloon [wip 1]
Date: 3 Oct 2013 06:14:33
Message: <524d4389$1@news.povray.org>
>Paolo Gibellini  on date 03/10/2013 12.12 wrote:
>  >Thomas de Groot  on date 03/10/2013 10.30 wrote:
>> That the weather in Gancaloon is not always warm and sunny is proven by
>> this first wip.
>>
>> I used Jaime's rain macro of course. Thanks Jaime! The foreground now
>> needs the wet look and the rain splashes expected there. And some
>> figures of course. Lightning in the distance too.
>>
>> I got my inspiration from this art for Game of Thrones:
>> http://aidanmoher.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/GOT_dothrak.jpeg
>>
>> Thomas
Btw, a great image.
It's a flag the object fluttering over the tower?
Paolo


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Bad weather in Gancaloon [wip 1]
Date: 3 Oct 2013 06:35:00
Message: <web.524d4761560315d77d8c6e9c0@news.povray.org>
Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> That the weather in Gancaloon is not always warm and sunny is proven by
> this first wip.
>
> I used Jaime's rain macro of course. Thanks Jaime! The foreground now
> needs the wet look and the rain splashes expected there. And some
> figures of course. Lightning in the distance too.
>
> I got my inspiration from this art for Game of Thrones:
> http://aidanmoher.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/GOT_dothrak.jpeg
>

It reminds me of home.
Drookit in Gancaloon ;-)

You have the atmosphere just right.

Stephen


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Bad weather in Gancaloon [wip 1]
Date: 3 Oct 2013 07:00:43
Message: <524d4e5b@news.povray.org>
On 3-10-2013 12:30, Stephen wrote:
> It reminds me of home.
> Drookit in Gancaloon ;-)

Brr... I hate that weather.

Great to learn new words, btw ;-)

>
> You have the atmosphere just right.

Thanks, Stephen. Most praise for Jaime who developed the rain macros. In 
the next wip I hope to have the splattering drops on the ground.


Thomas


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Bad weather in Gancaloon [wip 1]
Date: 3 Oct 2013 07:04:25
Message: <524d4f39$1@news.povray.org>
On 3-10-2013 12:14, Paolo Gibellini wrote:
> Btw, a great image.
> It's a flag the object fluttering over the tower?

Thanks Paolo. Yes, it is the flag of the Satrap, the so-called Fafanar, 
showing a dragon on a red-and-black stripped field.

Thomas


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From: MichaelJF
Subject: Re: Bad weather in Gancaloon [wip 1]
Date: 3 Oct 2013 12:15:00
Message: <web.524d96f8560315d752743a840@news.povray.org>
Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> On 3-10-2013 12:30, Stephen wrote:
> > It reminds me of home.
> > Drookit in Gancaloon ;-)
>
> Brr... I hate that weather.
>
> Great to learn new words, btw ;-)
>
> >
> > You have the atmosphere just right.
>
> Thanks, Stephen. Most praise for Jaime who developed the rain macros. In
> the next wip I hope to have the splattering drops on the ground.
>
>
> Thomas

Yes, the athmosphere is very well met. I propose to make the rain streaks
thinner and shorter, have more of them and have less variation in the
directions. As it is in the picture inspiring you, or in photographs.

After having rendered Jaime's example scene some years ago, I often wondered
about this issue, since I cannot observe this streaks in reality. I see only
falling drops (or very short streaks). As I understand it, the streaks one sees
in photographs are only due to motion blur not visible to the eye (at least not
at such an extend). But we are used to look at photographs and accept this
deviation. So it is a issue of photorealism to model it. Even if we will not
notice the effect in reality. In a way one can compare it with the DoF-issue.

Best regards,
Michael

BTW: The community who understands the word Drookit without having to look it up
at the Oxford dictionary is much smaller than the Dutch speaking one;-) But it
is ever interesting to learn how much the Scotch language differs from English.

BTW2: The entry for McAvoy is missing at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tartans

but can be found at:

http://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/


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From: s day
Subject: Re: Bad weather in Gancaloon [wip 1]
Date: 4 Oct 2013 01:35:03
Message: <web.524e536e560315d7b9f02fc70@news.povray.org>
Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> That the weather in Gancaloon is not always warm and sunny is proven by
> this first wip.
>
> I used Jaime's rain macro of course. Thanks Jaime! The foreground now
> needs the wet look and the rain splashes expected there. And some
> figures of course. Lightning in the distance too.
>
> I got my inspiration from this art for Game of Thrones:
> http://aidanmoher.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/GOT_dothrak.jpeg
>
> Thomas

A great start, the atmosphere looks good but as you say more detail needed in
the foreground.

Not sure what impact it would have if changed but to me there seems to be
something odd in the rain drops. I would expect them all to be falling in the
same direction (or very nearly the same one) there seem to be a few random drops
that are doing their own thing. (mostly in the bottom right of the image). I
have not looked at Jaimes macro so do not know if this can be changed easily,
still they do look pretty good though.

It would be good if you could see the stream in the foreground a bit more (I
cannot think of a better use for a high frequency ripples normal). If you have
one already it does not show up due to the fog/atmosphere.

Look forward to seeing future versions of this scene.

Sean


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Bad weather in Gancaloon [wip 1]
Date: 4 Oct 2013 03:13:47
Message: <524e6aab$1@news.povray.org>
On 3-10-2013 18:10, MichaelJF wrote:
>
> Yes, the athmosphere is very well met. I propose to make the rain streaks
> thinner and shorter, have more of them and have less variation in the
> directions. As it is in the picture inspiring you, or in photographs.

I agree. I have not been too happy with the random directions the 
falling drops take. However, this is easy to remedy as it just is a 
rand() parameter in Jaimes's macro. There are already 400000 drops but I 
shall double them yet again and make them thinner/shorter too.

>
> After having rendered Jaime's example scene some years ago, I often wondered
> about this issue, since I cannot observe this streaks in reality. I see only
> falling drops (or very short streaks). As I understand it, the streaks one sees
> in photographs are only due to motion blur not visible to the eye (at least not
> at such an extend). But we are used to look at photographs and accept this
> deviation. So it is a issue of photorealism to model it. Even if we will not
> notice the effect in reality. In a way one can compare it with the DoF-issue.

Indeed.

> BTW: The community who understands the word Drookit without having to look it up
> at the Oxford dictionary is much smaller than the Dutch speaking one;-) But it
> is ever interesting to learn how much the Scotch language differs from English.

LOL. Personally, I am a great fan of languages (any languages).

>
> BTW2: The entry for McAvoy is missing at
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tartans
>
> but can be found at:
>
> http://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/

Thank you sir, I filed this info ;-)

Thomas


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Bad weather in Gancaloon [wip 1]
Date: 4 Oct 2013 03:16:43
Message: <524e6b5b$1@news.povray.org>
On 4-10-2013 7:34, s.day wrote:
>
> A great start, the atmosphere looks good but as you say more detail needed in
> the foreground.
>
> Not sure what impact it would have if changed but to me there seems to be
> something odd in the rain drops. I would expect them all to be falling in the
> same direction (or very nearly the same one) there seem to be a few random drops
> that are doing their own thing. (mostly in the bottom right of the image). I
> have not looked at Jaimes macro so do not know if this can be changed easily,
> still they do look pretty good though.

It is just an random parameter added to the falling angle.

>
> It would be good if you could see the stream in the foreground a bit more (I
> cannot think of a better use for a high frequency ripples normal). If you have
> one already it does not show up due to the fog/atmosphere.

Hm. It is a normal indeed.

>
> Look forward to seeing future versions of this scene.

You will most surely :-)

Thomas


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