Been some time since my last image from Gancaloon. Steady changes and 
steady progress since then. Main development being the replacement of 
the city blocks by 'real' geometry. Progress still under way and only as 
first version without doors and windows. Potentially however, I have now 
the possibility to make any street scene I want, wherever in the city. 
Further, I make extensively use of Edouard Poor's proximity pattern 
macro which is the one I prefer at this moment. Sam Benge's comes as 
close second ;-)

Thomas

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Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> Been some time since my last image from Gancaloon. Steady changes and
> steady progress since then. Main development being the replacement of
> the city blocks by 'real' geometry. Progress still under way and only as
> first version without doors and windows. Potentially however, I have now
> the possibility to make any street scene I want, wherever in the city.
> Further, I make extensively use of Edouard Poor's proximity pattern
> macro which is the one I prefer at this moment. Sam Benge's comes as
> close second ;-)
>
> Thomas

Hi Thomas,

a nice view of Gancaloon again. Two nitpicks: You should consider the use of the
occulsion map baking for the statue and a higher camera position to see the
water between the paths.

Best regards,
Michael

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On 19/02/2013 12:23 PM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> Been some time since my last image from Gancaloon.

You should have a website for this series. (As if you need any more 
demands on your time.) :-)

I don't agree with Michael about a higher camera position. Then you 
would not get the handrail view. And I think that you have spent a lot 
of time, refurbishing that boat. :-)

-- 
Regards
     Stephen

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Thomas de Groot wrote:

great view from the ship!

The two right-most figures appear a bit "headless" to me ;)
Likely an effect of dark head against dark background.

Also I wonder if the water lanes should be wider? From economy
of building I'd expect they should fit two ships side by side.

> Further, I make extensively use of Edouard Poor's proximity pattern 
> macro which is the one I prefer at this moment. Sam Benge's comes as 
> close second ;-)

And you are probably very fond of the effects you can create
with this, but don't overdo it. I would hope a prestigous statue
in a shiny harbour could be a little better maintained ;)

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On 19-2-2013 20:27, MichaelJF wrote:
> a nice view of Gancaloon again.
Thanks :-)

Two nitpicks: You should consider the use of the
> occulsion map baking for the statue and a higher camera position to see the
> water between the paths.

I agree that the statue's texture is a bit extreme. I still need to come 
up with a better overall texture and, in particular, make better use of 
the proximity pattern. Baking the occlusion map is a next option indeed.

About the camera position, I shall see. I don't want to loose the 
contact with the ship ;-)

Thomas

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On 19-2-2013 21:57, Stephen wrote:
> You should have a website for this series. (As if you need any more
> demands on your time.) :-)

Indeed for both points ;-) I have no plans in that direction however.

>
> I don't agree with Michael about a higher camera position. Then you
> would not get the handrail view.

Yes, that might be the problem indeed. However, I shall consider the 
possibilities.

> And I think that you have spent a lot
> of time, refurbishing that boat. :-)
>

You don't want to know /how much/ time that is, and still not finished. 
About nothing is left of the original geometry/textures and many have 
been added.

Thomas

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On 19-2-2013 22:01, Christian Froeschlin wrote:
> great view from the ship!

Thanks!

>
> The two right-most figures appear a bit "headless" to me ;)
> Likely an effect of dark head against dark background.

Ah yes! Just a matter of contrast indeed.

>
> Also I wonder if the water lanes should be wider? From economy
> of building I'd expect they should fit two ships side by side.

Believe it or not, there is ample room for two ships side by side in 
most if not all of the docks! Perspective is playing a bad trick here.

>
>> Further, I make extensively use of Edouard Poor's proximity pattern
>> macro which is the one I prefer at this moment. Sam Benge's comes as
>> close second ;-)
>
> And you are probably very fond of the effects you can create
> with this, but don't overdo it. I would hope a prestigous statue
> in a shiny harbour could be a little better maintained ;)

Oh well.... the intention is indeed bad maintenance and age. I agree 
with you however and shall work a bit more towards a more believable 
aspect ;-)

Thomas

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On 20-2-2013 9:35, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> Believe it or not, there is ample room for two ships side by side in
> most if not all of the docks! Perspective is playing a bad trick here.
>

So I am proved a liar ;-)

Somehow I have not paid attention to some proportions and sizes and 
shall have to reconsider.

I remember that my original intention was to have docks for all kind of 
vessels, large but also small. This might need proper attention...

Thomas

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> On 19-2-2013 22:01, Christian Froeschlin wrote:
> Also I wonder if the water lanes should be wider? From economy
>> of building I'd expect they should fit two ships side by side.
>

Not too bad. The most narrow docks are 5m wide. Considering that on the 
river there are a score of small vessels, from the pirogue-scale 
upwards, those would be reserved for them.

No real need for rebuilding ;-)

Thomas

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Am 20.02.2013 13:33, schrieb Thomas de Groot:
>> On 19-2-2013 22:01, Christian Froeschlin wrote:
>> Also I wonder if the water lanes should be wider? From economy
>>> of building I'd expect they should fit two ships side by side.
>
> Not too bad. The most narrow docks are 5m wide. Considering that on the
> river there are a score of small vessels, from the pirogue-scale
> upwards, those would be reserved for them.

5m wide = max. 1.5m width per ship.

I doubt that such small ships would be moored directly sideways to a 
solid stone quay. After all, what heavy or bulky load could they 
possibly carry? And how would they get out of the ships at low tide?

More likely you'd have narrow wooden walkways for such small vessels, 
floating on pontoons; and you'd moor multiple vessels side by side to those.

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