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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Greek sword
Date: 5 Jan 2011 10:42:05
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After some time at the forge (Silo2 and Poseray 3.13.7beta), I produced a 
fairly accurate Greek sword (ca 500 BC) in POV-Ray 3.7 RC1.


Thomas


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From: Alain
Subject: Re: Greek sword
Date: 5 Jan 2011 14:54:24
Message: <4d24cc70@news.povray.org>

> After some time at the forge (Silo2 and Poseray 3.13.7beta), I produced a
> fairly accurate Greek sword (ca 500 BC) in POV-Ray 3.7 RC1.
>
>
> Thomas
>
>
>
Is that an iron or a bronze sword? Both are probable for that era. Steel 
is not available yet.


Alain


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From: Dave Blandston
Subject: Re: Greek sword
Date: 6 Jan 2011 05:50:01
Message: <web.4d259ddb8d4ff9375f9997c70@news.povray.org>
"Thomas de Groot" <tDOTdegroot@interDOTnlANOTHERDOTnet> wrote:
> After some time at the forge (Silo2 and Poseray 3.13.7beta), I produced a
> fairly accurate Greek sword (ca 500 BC) in POV-Ray 3.7 RC1.
>
>
> Thomas

That looks awesome! Here's an interesting tidbit: There's a company in New York
called Sadigh Gallery that sells ancient artifacts, including Greek swords.
http://www.sadighgallery.com/ I've purchased a few Egyptian artifacts from them
(a fascination since my youth) and they appear to be authentic.

Regards,
Dave Blandston


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From: Anthony D  Baye
Subject: Re: Greek sword
Date: 6 Jan 2011 07:50:00
Message: <web.4d25ba018d4ff937507e8a090@news.povray.org>
"Thomas de Groot" <tDOTdegroot@interDOTnlANOTHERDOTnet> wrote:
> After some time at the forge (Silo2 and Poseray 3.13.7beta), I produced a
> fairly accurate Greek sword (ca 500 BC) in POV-Ray 3.7 RC1.
>
>
> Thomas

I've always made the hand grip should be as wide as the blade, at least at the
top.  The way it is, it looks like it would snap in a serious fight.

Two of my own swords as example..
http://webpages.sdsmt.edu/~1305761/images/Swords.png

Regards,

A.D.B.


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From: Alain
Subject: Re: Greek sword
Date: 7 Jan 2011 00:36:22
Message: <4d26a656$1@news.povray.org>

> "Thomas de Groot"<tDOTdegroot@interDOTnlANOTHERDOTnet>  wrote:
>> After some time at the forge (Silo2 and Poseray 3.13.7beta), I produced a
>> fairly accurate Greek sword (ca 500 BC) in POV-Ray 3.7 RC1.
>>
>>
>> Thomas
>
> I've always made the hand grip should be as wide as the blade, at least at the
> top.  The way it is, it looks like it would snap in a serious fight.
>
> Two of my own swords as example..
> http://webpages.sdsmt.edu/~1305761/images/Swords.png
>
> Regards,
>
> A.D.B.
>

The Greek sword was mostly a thrusting sword, the impacts are monsly 
longitudinals against relatively soft targets. That kind of impacts are 
easy to resist.
Also, during that era, metallic armors where almost non-existant: 
Leather was the primary material used, with the odd metal reinforcement. 
They also used cloth and rope armors.

Your sample medieval swords are slashing swords used against metal 
armors. Those are subjected to violent lateral impacts requiring a very 
strong handle-blade connection.



Alain


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Greek sword
Date: 7 Jan 2011 03:17:55
Message: <4d26cc33@news.povray.org>
"Alain" <aze### [at] qwertyorg> schreef in bericht 
news:4d24cc70@news.povray.org...
> Is that an iron or a bronze sword? Both are probable for that era. Steel 
> is not available yet.

It is supposed to be an iron sword.

Thomas


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Greek sword
Date: 7 Jan 2011 03:22:58
Message: <4d26cd62@news.povray.org>
"Dave Blandston" <nomail@nomail> schreef in bericht 
news:web.4d259ddb8d4ff9375f9997c70@news.povray.org...
>
> That looks awesome! Here's an interesting tidbit: There's a company in New 
> York
> called Sadigh Gallery that sells ancient artifacts, including Greek 
> swords.
> http://www.sadighgallery.com/ I've purchased a few Egyptian artifacts from 
> them
> (a fascination since my youth) and they appear to be authentic.

I based this sword on a book I found by chance in the public library. It is 
called "Warfare in the Classical World" and shows fairly detailed 
descriptions of different era weaponry. What you mention about the grip was 
also my own concern, but is corroborated by  the reconstruction in the book. 
Nevertheless, I think I shall make it a bit thicker where it joins the 
guard.

Thomas


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Greek sword
Date: 7 Jan 2011 03:30:58
Message: <4d26cf42$1@news.povray.org>
"Alain" <aze### [at] qwertyorg> schreef in bericht 
news:4d26a656$1@news.povray.org...

> The Greek sword was mostly a thrusting sword, the impacts are monsly 
> longitudinals against relatively soft targets. That kind of impacts are 
> easy to resist.
> Also, during that era, metallic armors where almost non-existant: Leather 
> was the primary material used, with the odd metal reinforcement. They also 
> used cloth and rope armors.

Yes, that seems to have been the case. Metal armor was generally only worn 
by those who could afford them. Hence the beautiful bronze curass pieces one 
can admire in some musea.

Fascinating how a random interest for some modelling opens up complete 
discoveries about history, archaeology, art, etc. Well, I have always been 
fascinated by ancient history and archaeology, but still, modelling seems to 
stimulate those fascinations.

Thomas


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Greek sword
Date: 7 Jan 2011 03:35:21
Message: <4d26d049$1@news.povray.org>
"Thomas de Groot" <tDOTdegroot@interDOTnlANOTHERDOTnet> schreef in bericht 
news:4d26cc33@news.povray.org...
> It is supposed to be an iron sword.

What am I thinking about!?!?  I mean *bronze* of course....

Thomas


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Greek sword
Date: 7 Jan 2011 03:41:41
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"Dave Blandston" <nomail@nomail> schreef in bericht 
news:web.4d259ddb8d4ff9375f9997c70@news.povray.org...
There's a company in New York
> called Sadigh Gallery that sells ancient artifacts, including Greek 
> swords.
> http://www.sadighgallery.com/

Those swords look like archaic ones, maybe Messinian. I am not sure. Are 
they well-forged copies? or authentic ones? In the last case, I wonder how 
they got hold of them....

Thomas


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