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From: Jeremy M  Praay
Subject: Bonsai / Girl / Horse
Date: 3 Apr 2007 20:46:42
Message: <4612f572@news.povray.org>
I enjoy thinking up clever names for my pictures, but so far one hasn't come 
to me.  Anyway, here is my latest picture.

I've been working on it off and on for the past few months (mostly off). 
Ultimately, I would like to create a series of images based upon this 
foundation.  I have A LOT of ideas, but I'm not sure if it will hold my 
attention for that long.  I don't know about the rest of you, but as soon as 
I stop enjoying working on a picture, it seems to be impossible for me to 
finish it.  Hopefully, this will keep my interest for long enough to create 
a nice series.

Ivy courtesy of the Ivy Generator.
Grass via Gilles make grass (modified a bit).
Bonsai created with POV-Tree.
Girl and Horse from DAZ.

-- 
Jeremy M. Praay


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From: William Tracy
Subject: Re: Bonsai / Girl / Horse
Date: 4 Apr 2007 00:32:10
Message: <46132a4a$1@news.povray.org>
> I enjoy thinking up clever names for my pictures, but so far one hasn't come 
> to me.  Anyway, here is my latest picture.

You might want to work on that...When I first saw the subject line, I 
instantly thought of the bonsai kitten hoax. :-P

That aside...

This picture is absolutely fantastic. I love the lighting in it. :-) You 
might need a touch of tweaking on the textures on the tree's bark to 
make it look more alive and less like a plastic plant. Moss also tends 
to grow a tad more bumpy than that.

That said, the image is pretty darn photo-realistic. :-)

 > Ivy courtesy of the Ivy Generator.
 > Grass via Gilles make grass (modified a bit).
 > Bonsai created with POV-Tree.
 > Girl and Horse from DAZ.

The first time I saw the image, I honestly thought that you had cut the 
girl and horse out of a photograph and pasted them into the render. 
Fantastic work.

William


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Bonsai / Girl / Horse
Date: 4 Apr 2007 02:57:06
Message: <46134c42$1@news.povray.org>
I love it!
This is very well done and the dark background gives a special touch. The 
illumination of the scene is excellent too.
Just one thing maybe. I had trouble to see the horse correctly, mainly 
because of the color contrast between the body and the rest of the animal, 
especially the manes. I even thought there were two horses for a split 
second! So, maybe you could do something about that....

Thomas


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From: Jim Charter
Subject: Re: Bonsai / Girl / Horse
Date: 4 Apr 2007 12:21:46
Message: <4613d09a$1@news.povray.org>
Beautiful picture, Jeremy.  The command of texture is remarkable. Its 
understated use here compliments a greater sense of beauty through 
simplicity. Conceptually the picture is a sophisticated play on 
miniature, fantasy, and depiction itself.  The introduction of the ivy 
on the bonsai has me puzzled, but that aside, I see a wealth of 
possibilities here.


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From: Jeremy M  Praay
Subject: Re: Bonsai / Girl / Horse
Date: 4 Apr 2007 13:30:36
Message: <4613e0bc$1@news.povray.org>
"William Tracy" <wtr### [at] calpolyedu> wrote in message 
news:46132a4a$1@news.povray.org...
>> I enjoy thinking up clever names for my pictures, but so far one hasn't 
>> come to me.  Anyway, here is my latest picture.
>
> You might want to work on that...When I first saw the subject line, I 
> instantly thought of the bonsai kitten hoax. :-P

Hopefully, if I create a series, what may seem like a strange title now 
might make more sense later.  I have a few thoughts around those lines.

>
> That aside...
>
> This picture is absolutely fantastic. I love the lighting in it. :-) You 
> might need a touch of tweaking on the textures on the tree's bark to make 
> it look more alive and less like a plastic plant. Moss also tends to grow 
> a tad more bumpy than that.

Tree bark: I had a difficult time with it.  I might play around with it a 
little more, but it's a major improvement from what I had.
Moss or Grass?  At first, I wanted it to look more like moss, but later, I 
changed my mind, and thought it would be kind of fun to actually have it be 
a grassy set of hills...

>
> That said, the image is pretty darn photo-realistic. :-)
>
> > Ivy courtesy of the Ivy Generator.
> > Grass via Gilles make grass (modified a bit).
> > Bonsai created with POV-Tree.
> > Girl and Horse from DAZ.
>
> The first time I saw the image, I honestly thought that you had cut the 
> girl and horse out of a photograph and pasted them into the render. 
> Fantastic work.
>

Thank you!  :-)


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From: Jeremy M  Praay
Subject: Re: Bonsai / Girl / Horse
Date: 4 Apr 2007 13:32:26
Message: <4613e12a$1@news.povray.org>
"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlDOTnet> wrote in message 
news:46134c42$1@news.povray.org...
>I love it!
> This is very well done and the dark background gives a special touch. The 
> illumination of the scene is excellent too.

Thanks! :-)

> Just one thing maybe. I had trouble to see the horse correctly, mainly 
> because of the color contrast between the body and the rest of the animal, 
> especially the manes. I even thought there were two horses for a split 
> second! So, maybe you could do something about that....
>

I've had a few people mention that the horse looks odd, for various reasons. 
It may just be that I need to lower the "diffuse" value of the 
lighter/whiter textures.


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From: Ross
Subject: Re: Bonsai / Girl / Horse
Date: 4 Apr 2007 13:37:41
Message: <4613e265$1@news.povray.org>
fantastic grass. *drool*

Not having examined a bonsai tree really close ever before, I do question
the texture. it looks a little too grey and shiney. I'd expect them to be
more brown and without highlights. I could be so wrong though.


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From: Jeremy M  Praay
Subject: Re: Bonsai / Girl / Horse
Date: 4 Apr 2007 14:16:02
Message: <4613eb62$1@news.povray.org>
"Jim Charter" <jrc### [at] msncom> wrote in message 
news:4613d09a$1@news.povray.org...
> Beautiful picture, Jeremy.  The command of texture is remarkable. Its 
> understated use here compliments a greater sense of beauty through 
> simplicity. Conceptually the picture is a sophisticated play on miniature, 
> fantasy, and depiction itself.  The introduction of the ivy on the bonsai 
> has me puzzled, but that aside, I see a wealth of possibilities here.

Thank you!  :-)  For me, it simply represents a lot of 
fantasy/feelings/interests that I have.  If I tap into my own emotions, I 
just have to hope that it works for someone else as well.  What is the girl 
looking at?  It's a simple answer, but it means a lot of work for me.  I 
hope I can pull it off.  No, I'm not telling what it is.  ;-)

Ivy...  Hmmm...  What do you do when you have a part of your picture that 
you want to cover up?  :-)  Like I said in another post, the tree-bark was 
causing me grief.  I finally got it to look pretty good, but I still had 
this large trunk that just seemed too bare.  For real bonsai, I think that's 
often the look that they strive for (bare trunks), but they have real bark, 
and real trees, not TomTree's.  I tried various tree rotations, ways of 
lighting, etc.  Regardless, I decided I liked the ivy, because, at least in 
my mind, it adds a touch of age-old gothic mystery to the tree*, as well as 
adding some shadows to otherwise bland places.  But I have considered 
re-growing it with different parameters, as it really gets bunched-up in the 
middle of the tree.

I'm still considering it a WIP, but I'm also planning to move on to the next 
in the series.  I've often thought of doing a series, but I never had a 
decent concept.  But now, I have at least 3 other images in mind already. 
Wish me luck.

*I may expand on that concept in a subsequent image.


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From: Jeremy M  Praay
Subject: Re: Bonsai / Girl / Horse
Date: 4 Apr 2007 14:28:41
Message: <4613ee59$1@news.povray.org>
"Ross" <rli### [at] speakeasynet> wrote in message 
news:4613e265$1@news.povray.org...
> fantastic grass. *drool*

Thanks!  I basically took clumps of Gilles' makegrass grass and used "trace" 
to place them on an isosurface.  Then added some random rotation, etc. 
Before the bonsai idea struck me, I was actually planning on making some 
sort of scene with grassy rolling hills.

> Not having examined a bonsai tree really close ever before, I do question
> the texture. it looks a little too grey and shiney. I'd expect them to be
> more brown and without highlights. I could be so wrong though.

Well, any type of tree can be a bonsai.  I have no idea what type of tree 
this would be, but I was thinking of something resembling a fig (ficus). 
http://www.ncarboretum.org/Horticulture/Bonsai/October_2004_pics/lores_4684.jpg


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From: Bill Pragnell
Subject: Re: Bonsai / Girl / Horse
Date: 4 Apr 2007 14:55:02
Message: <web.4613f46766d144881b04b8bf0@news.povray.org>
Beautiful. I shall keep coming back to this picture I think.

One thing I notice is that the brightness looks fine on an LCD screen but is
a little too dark on a CRT... when I fired up my laptop for another look
there was so much more visible! Good work indeed. I look forward to the
next in the series!

Bill


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