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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Down the Drain (wip)
Date: 13 Oct 2006 07:09:50
Message: <452f73fe@news.povray.org>
Well, This is the state-of-the-art wip for my IRTC entry. All props are in 
place; most things have turned out satisfyingly; still have to work on the 
sky. Still a couple of weeks to go, so that should be possible.

At this stage, I am truly interested in your criticism, so that I can do 
something with it (or not...:-))

Oh! by the way! Found the Drain? Look better. It is there...

Thomas


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From: Marc
Subject: Re: Down the Drain (wip)
Date: 13 Oct 2006 08:52:04
Message: <452f8bf4$1@news.povray.org>

452f73fe@news.povray.org...
> Well, This is the state-of-the-art wip for my IRTC entry. All props are in
> place; most things have turned out satisfyingly; still have to work on the
> sky. Still a couple of weeks to go, so that should be possible.
>
> At this stage, I am truly interested in your criticism, so that I can do
> something with it (or not...:-))
>
> Oh! by the way! Found the Drain? Look better. It is there...
>
> Thomas
>
>
>
Wonderful image as usual!
If it is for IRTC,I think the collumns are too much, they drain attention
from the *absence* which is strong here.
I had a thought at doing an image on Aral sea and you are close to my
concept :-)
I'd see some other (not wrecked) ships instead of ruins

Marc


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From: dlm
Subject: Re: Down the Drain (wip)
Date: 13 Oct 2006 09:27:45
Message: <452f9451$1@news.povray.org>
> At this stage, I am truly interested in your criticism, so that I can do 
> something with it (or not...:-))
>
> Oh! by the way! Found the Drain? Look better. It is there...
>
> Thomas


Can't find the drain or any evidence of water.
It might be an idea to have some reflective water gloss in the low lying 
areas (residue areas/rocks), or to have cracked dry mud.
Also the bald hill on the left looks strangely unnatural with no vegetation 
at the top.
But perhaps that's all part of your surreal intention.
DLM


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Down the Drain (wip)
Date: 13 Oct 2006 10:37:28
Message: <452fa4a8$1@news.povray.org>
"Marc" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> schreef in bericht 
news:452f8bf4$1@news.povray.org...
>
>>
> Wonderful image as usual!
Thanks Marc :-)

> If it is for IRTC,I think the collumns are too much, they drain attention
> from the *absence* which is strong here.
Hmm... Might be... still, I like them as they are things made invisible 
(sea-level rise; tectonic subsidence) that appear again after draining the 
water. It's a personal thing I guess. And it let me play with probability 
selections to build them.

> I had a thought at doing an image on Aral sea and you are close to my
> concept :-)
Ah yes, the Aral Sea would have been nice to do, indeed. Lake Chad is 
another one of those. I must say that the present image is a concept I have 
turned over in my mind for many years now. Even wrote a short story around 
it situated however, in the middle of the North Sea!

> I'd see some other (not wrecked) ships instead of ruins
I like those ruins <sniff>
>

Thomas


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Down the Drain (wip)
Date: 13 Oct 2006 10:41:19
Message: <452fa58f@news.povray.org>
"dlm" <me### [at] addressinvalid> schreef in bericht 
news:452f9451$1@news.povray.org...
>
> Can't find the drain or any evidence of water.
The water is indeed totally absent, so I should add some puddles. The drain 
is there, in polished chrome metal! But as it reflects the surroundings and 
the sky, it is hard to see. Look to the extreme right...

> It might be an idea to have some reflective water gloss in the low lying 
> areas (residue areas/rocks), or to have cracked dry mud.
yes indeed.

> Also the bald hill on the left looks strangely unnatural with no 
> vegetation at the top.
> But perhaps that's all part of your surreal intention.
Ah! it is!

Thomas


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From: Marc
Subject: Re: Down the Drain (wip)
Date: 13 Oct 2006 11:05:01
Message: <452fab1d$1@news.povray.org>

452fa4a8$1@news.povray.org...
>
> > I'd see some other (not wrecked) ships instead of ruins
> I like those ruins <sniff>
I like them too :)
IT is just that they weaken the topic if it is "absence" (if not it's ok :)

Marc


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From: Bill Pragnell
Subject: Re: Down the Drain (wip)
Date: 13 Oct 2006 11:15:01
Message: <web.452fad00196f9067731f01d10@news.povray.org>
Excellent concept, and I love the image!

A few thoughts:
The muddy-seaweed texture on the columns and river bed looks OK from a
distance, but decidedly procedural from close up! I think a little more
work on this would improve it no end.
Not sure about the actual presence of the columns. If you remove the one in
the foreground, it may not be obvious what the others are... and the others
block the view along the river somewhat...
Maybe a jetty or pontoon on the left, with some stray vertical timbers to
indicate age? They could get the seaweed treatment instead? Just an idea.

The wreck and the stranded non-wreck look great, and I think the river-banks
look fine.

Bill

PS I'm quite looking forward to seeing the other entries for this round.
This topic should produce some real variety!


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From: Smws
Subject: Re: Down the Drain (wip)
Date: 13 Oct 2006 12:35:01
Message: <web.452fc005196f9067da53d9e40@news.povray.org>
"Marc" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> wrote:

> 452f73fe@news.povray.org...
> > Well, This is the state-of-the-art wip for my IRTC entry. All props are in
> > place; most things have turned out satisfyingly; still have to work on the
> > sky. Still a couple of weeks to go, so that should be possible.
> >
> > At this stage, I am truly interested in your criticism, so that I can do
> > something with it (or not...:-))
> >
> > Oh! by the way! Found the Drain? Look better. It is there...
> >
> > Thomas
> >
> >
> >
> Wonderful image as usual!
> If it is for IRTC,I think the collumns are too much, they drain attention
> from the *absence* which is strong here.
> I had a thought at doing an image on Aral sea and you are close to my
> concept :-)
> I'd see some other (not wrecked) ships instead of ruins
>
> Marc

AAH! Aral Sea! You chose EXACTLY the concept I am working on! I suppose it
wasn't such a stretch to think of it-- still, I thought I would get lucky
:)

Great minds... and all that I suppose. And of course Thomas has done a very
similar theme as well.

Well, I think I will enter anyway, I doubt our realizations will be too
similar, Alain.

-Stefan


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From: Smws
Subject: Re: Down the Drain (wip)
Date: 13 Oct 2006 12:45:01
Message: <web.452fc233196f9067da53d9e40@news.povray.org>
"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlnet> wrote:
> Well, This is the state-of-the-art wip for my IRTC entry. All props are in
> place; most things have turned out satisfyingly; still have to work on the
> sky. Still a couple of weeks to go, so that should be possible.
>
> At this stage, I am truly interested in your criticism, so that I can do
> something with it (or not...:-))
>
> Oh! by the way! Found the Drain? Look better. It is there...
>
> Thomas

Thomas: an excellent image! I love your concept (uncomfortably close to
mine...) and I think you have executed it very well. I like the
slime/seaweed especially, maybe it should coat the rocks and shells a
little bit too? Right now the nubbly tan rocks look like they were put
there later (but they are very rocklike).

The decayed and abandoned ships I like very much- you model them with
primitives? Also: the closest pillar is a little too close for the texture
to work, in my opinion. The edges on it should be more rounded, from ages
beneath the sea, and it should have little pockmarks and roughness- or just
move it a little away from the camera, and "feature" the decaying hull
instead.

Also, I was unable to find the drain. More prominent?

Just my $.02... Good work!

Stefan Sittler


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From: Remy Closset
Subject: Re: Down the Drain (wip)
Date: 13 Oct 2006 13:02:15
Message: <452fc697$1@news.povray.org>
Thomas

Beautiful procedural textures, as always in your work. Strange atmosphere. 
Only is missing an archeologist wotking with a toothbrush.

Friendly


452f73fe@news.povray.org...
> Well, This is the state-of-the-art wip for my IRTC entry. All props are in 
> place; most things have turned out satisfyingly; still have to work on the 
> sky. Still a couple of weeks to go, so that should be possible.
>
> At this stage, I am truly interested in your criticism, so that I can do 
> something with it (or not...:-))
>
> Oh! by the way! Found the Drain? Look better. It is there...
>
> Thomas
>
>


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