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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: City plan of Mohenjo Daro
Date: 13 Aug 2006 09:20:19
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See the thread in povray.newusers "building a house efficiently", and my 
answer of today.
Thanks to Inkscape and Chris B!

Thomas


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From: Jörg 'Yadgar' Bleimann
Subject: Re: City plan of Mohenjo Daro
Date: 17 Aug 2006 04:26:12
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High!

Are you sure not having extracted the streets rather than the buildings?

Otherwise, your picture could inspire me to do some archeological sites 
in Afghanistan, like ancient Balkh or Surkh Kotal...

See you in Khyberspace!

Yadgar

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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: City plan of Mohenjo Daro
Date: 19 Aug 2006 03:13:05
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> High!
>
> Are you sure not having extracted the streets rather than the buildings?
>
> Otherwise, your picture could inspire me to do some archeological sites in 
> Afghanistan, like ancient Balkh or Surkh Kotal...
>

No, no! These are the walls! You can see the streets in between the houses, 
even a sewer between the houses. The round structures are probably 
reservoirs or wells. On the streets, you can see small rectangular 
structures which were litter boxes, according to archaeologists.
I found this city plan in an old book: Prehistoric India, by Stuart Piggott, 
a Pelican Book published in 1950.

This was a quick experiment. In order to give the different structures also 
different heights, you will have to make separate traces that you combine 
later in the render.

Looking forward to the Afghan digs!

Thomas


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From: Alain
Subject: Re: City plan of Mohenjo Daro
Date: 19 Aug 2006 11:57:35
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Thomas de Groot nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 19/08/2006 03:13:

> news:44e42824$1@news.povray.org...
>> High!
>>
>> Are you sure not having extracted the streets rather than the buildings?
>>
>> Otherwise, your picture could inspire me to do some archeological sites in 
>> Afghanistan, like ancient Balkh or Surkh Kotal...
>>
> 
> No, no! These are the walls! You can see the streets in between the houses, 
> even a sewer between the houses. The round structures are probably 
> reservoirs or wells. On the streets, you can see small rectangular 
> structures which were litter boxes, according to archaeologists.
> I found this city plan in an old book: Prehistoric India, by Stuart Piggott, 
> a Pelican Book published in 1950.
> 
> This was a quick experiment. In order to give the different structures also 
> different heights, you will have to make separate traces that you combine 
> later in the render.
> 
> Looking forward to the Afghan digs!
> 
> Thomas 
> 
> 
In several of those old cities, it was common to have twisting streets narower 
than todays tipical residential hallways. Furnitures where often built in your 
house, with the lumbers caried over the, mostly flat, roofs of your neighbors, 
as the streets where possibly to narrow to negociate with the supplies.

-- 
Alain
-------------------------------------------------
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Just in case your boss catches you asleep at your desk, be ready to
blurt out this excuse #1:  I was working smarter - not harder.


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: City plan of Mohenjo Daro
Date: 20 Aug 2006 02:50:54
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"Alain" <ele### [at] netscapenet> schreef in bericht 
news:44e734ef$1@news.povray.org...
>>
> In several of those old cities, it was common to have twisting streets 
> narower than todays tipical residential hallways. Furnitures where often 
> built in your house, with the lumbers caried over the, mostly flat, roofs 
> of your neighbors, as the streets where possibly to narrow to negociate 
> with the supplies.
>

Yes indeed. It seems however that cities like Mohenjo-Daro or Harappa, were 
fairly well planned. In the newer maps of the excavations, you can see broad 
and strait streets with behind them a maze of smaller streets and alleyways. 
The fact that they used sewers for the houses draining into the main 
collectors in/under the main streets, made this almost of a necessity.
Fascinating!

Thomas


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From: Jörg 'Yadgar' Bleimann
Subject: Re: City plan of Mohenjo Daro
Date: 20 Aug 2006 11:53:17
Message: <44e8856d$1@news.povray.org>
High!

Thomas de Groot wrote:

> Yes indeed. It seems however that cities like Mohenjo-Daro or Harappa, were 
> fairly well planned. In the newer maps of the excavations, you can see broad 
> and strait streets with behind them a maze of smaller streets and alleyways. 
> The fact that they used sewers for the houses draining into the main 
> collectors in/under the main streets, made this almost of a necessity.
> Fascinating!

This instantly reminds me of the (fairly recent, when compared to these 
4000-year-old Indus cities) walled Old Cities of Herat and Kandahar - a 
rectangular layout, cut into roughly same-sized quarters (literally!) by 
   two straight streets, along which the various bazars are situated, 
while those quarters themselves are residential areas, with labyrinthic 
narrow streets, partially roofed over. I even own a large-scale Old City 
plan of Herat, which also shows the distribution of the various trades 
and craftshops along the main bazar streets (as it was 30 years ago, 
before all theses wars)... really tempting to model this with PoV-Ray! 
But before that, I have to get ready with my Kabul basin heightfield, on 
which I work since October 2004, today I finished work hour #434...

See you in Khyberspace (yes, that's what Khyberspace is all about)!

Yadgar

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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: City plan of Mohenjo Daro
Date: 21 Aug 2006 03:04:59
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>
> This instantly reminds me of the (fairly recent, when compared to these 
> 4000-year-old Indus cities) walled Old Cities of Herat and Kandahar - a 
> rectangular layout, cut into roughly same-sized quarters (literally!) by 
> two straight streets, along which the various bazars are situated, while 
> those quarters themselves are residential areas, with labyrinthic narrow 
> streets, partially roofed over. I even own a large-scale Old City plan of 
> Herat, which also shows the distribution of the various trades and 
> craftshops along the main bazar streets (as it was 30 years ago, before 
> all theses wars)... really tempting to model this with PoV-Ray! But before 
> that, I have to get ready with my Kabul basin heightfield, on which I work 
> since October 2004, today I finished work hour #434...
>
It seems likely that some things, like city layouts, may survive much longer 
than we think, even surviving changes in population by war or migration. 
Perhaps Herat or Kandahar are the echoes of those remote times. After all, 
the Indus, Baluchistan and Afghanistan were crossed by trade roads from very 
early on. On the other hand, efficient layouts may be re-invented several 
times!

> See you in Khyberspace (yes, that's what Khyberspace is all about)!
>
Sure! That,s what I thought!!! :-)

Thomas


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