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From: Tim Nikias
Subject: Prepared for company (Final "Windows")
Date: 31 Aug 2005 18:39:14
Message: <43163192@news.povray.org>
So, this is the final, daylight version of "Windows", now appropriately
named.

I've changed the color of the leather to give it a warmer touch, added
another chair, winebottle and glass, worked some on the contrast, tweaked
the radiosity and arealights... I cheated for the chair, to illuminate it
properly and avoid a blob of dark red color, I enveloped the chair with a
lightgroup with a single, soft and dim arealight for some highlights and
shadowing. Just imagine an open door behind the camera and it works out. ;-)

Anyways, the radiosity gathering required roughly 20 minutes at 320x240
without antialiasing, but the final render, done at 3200x2400 without
antialiasing (so that I can downscale with smooth, clipped values for the
antialiasing), required just above 7 hours whilst rendering "Windows" for a
sunset-version and the test-runs for the empty room. The sunset-version will
have to wait until I find some proper lighting scheme (from RL) to copy,
just judging by memory how orangish the light should be, how dark, etc,
doesn't work out. Besides, I don't have a proper background yet, so I need
to wait until I can make a good photo of a sunset. :-)

I'll probably update my webpage tomorrow or the day after to place this
image in my online-gallery, so if anyone wants to use it for the desktop or
such, check my webpage sometime in the next few days to get the 1280x960
version from there.

And thanks for all the feedback during the WIP. :-)

Regards,
Tim
-- 
"Tim Nikias v2.0"
Homepage: <http://www.nolights.de>


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From: Rick Measham
Subject: Re: Prepared for company (Final "Windows")
Date: 31 Aug 2005 20:46:46
Message: <43164f76$1@news.povray.org>
Tim Nikias wrote:
> So, this is the final, daylight version of "Windows", now appropriately
> named.

I've been loving it so far, but I have a problem now! That chair is (it 
seems) floating above the floor .. the reflection of the bottom bar is a 
long way from the bar itself. Also, the points at which the chair touch 
the floor mean that if you lean forward to pick up your glass of wine, 
the whole chair will tip forward and likely dump you out!

Which, depending of your visitors, might not be a bad thing.

Cheers!
Rick Measham


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From: dr snuggles
Subject: Re: Prepared for company (Final "Windows")
Date: 1 Sep 2005 02:36:25
Message: <4316a169$1@news.povray.org>
Great scene. and with a sparkling Diamond Egagement Ring on the table it 
would be complete!


"Tim Nikias" <JUSTTHELOWERCASE:timISNOTnikias(at)gmx.netWARE> skrev i 
meddelandet news:43163192@news.povray.org...
> So, this is the final, daylight version of "Windows", now appropriately
> named.
>
> I've changed the color of the leather to give it a warmer touch, added
> another chair, winebottle and glass, worked some on the contrast, tweaked
> the radiosity and arealights... I cheated for the chair, to illuminate it
> properly and avoid a blob of dark red color, I enveloped the chair with a


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From: Sebastian H 
Subject: Re: Prepared for company (Final "Windows")
Date: 1 Sep 2005 05:23:15
Message: <4316c883@news.povray.org>
Tim Nikias wrote:
> So, this is the final, daylight version of "Windows", now appropriately
> named.
> 
> I've changed the color of the leather to give it a warmer touch, added
> another chair, winebottle and glass, worked some on the contrast, tweaked
> the radiosity and arealights... I cheated for the chair, to illuminate it
> properly and avoid a blob of dark red color, I enveloped the chair with a
> lightgroup with a single, soft and dim arealight for some highlights and
> shadowing. Just imagine an open door behind the camera and it works out. ;-)
> 
> Anyways, the radiosity gathering required roughly 20 minutes at 320x240
> without antialiasing, but the final render, done at 3200x2400 without
> antialiasing (so that I can downscale with smooth, clipped values for the
> antialiasing), required just above 7 hours whilst rendering "Windows" for a
> sunset-version and the test-runs for the empty room. The sunset-version will
> have to wait until I find some proper lighting scheme (from RL) to copy,
> just judging by memory how orangish the light should be, how dark, etc,
> doesn't work out. Besides, I don't have a proper background yet, so I need
> to wait until I can make a good photo of a sunset. :-)
> 
> I'll probably update my webpage tomorrow or the day after to place this
> image in my online-gallery, so if anyone wants to use it for the desktop or
> such, check my webpage sometime in the next few days to get the 1280x960
> version from there.
> 
> And thanks for all the feedback during the WIP. :-)
> 
> Regards,
> Tim
> 

I like it very much.

Sebastian


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From: Rene Bui
Subject: Re: Prepared for company (Final "Windows")
Date: 1 Sep 2005 05:25:00
Message: <web.4316c799f4ae685897519ea80@news.povray.org>
"Tim Nikias" <JUSTTHELOWERCASE:timISNOTnikias(at)gmx.netWARE> wrote:
> So, this is the final, daylight version of "Windows", now appropriately
> named.

Beautiful image, I love it too !

But I'm agree with Rick...
maybe a bad thing for your customers
maybe a good thing for your mother-in-law... ;-)


http://rene.bui.free.fr  - online portfolio


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From: Tim Nikias
Subject: Re: Prepared for company (Final "Windows")
Date: 1 Sep 2005 09:52:29
Message: <4317079d@news.povray.org>
> I've been loving it so far, but I have a problem now! That chair is (it
> seems) floating above the floor .. the reflection of the bottom bar is a
> long way from the bar itself. Also, the points at which the chair touch
> the floor mean that if you lean forward to pick up your glass of wine,
> the whole chair will tip forward and likely dump you out!

Hm, yeah, now that you and Rene mention it... I'll have to change that
before rerendering the image again. As for the floating, can't do much about
it, it is *on* the floor. I'll recheck though and look if subdivision didn't
turn out to leave the chair hovering a few millimetres...

Regards,
Tim

-- 
"Tim Nikias v2.0"
Homepage: <http://www.nolights.de>


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From: Tim Nikias
Subject: Re: Prepared for company (Final "Windows")
Date: 1 Sep 2005 09:53:02
Message: <431707be@news.povray.org>
> Great scene. and with a sparkling Diamond Egagement Ring on the table it
> would be complete!

That would be a little much for my taste, but the idea is nice nontheless.
:-)

-- 
"Tim Nikias v2.0"
Homepage: <http://www.nolights.de>


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From: Spock
Subject: Re: Prepared for company (Final "Windows")
Date: 1 Sep 2005 10:03:04
Message: <43170a18$1@news.povray.org>
If you are re-rendering I will make another suggestion for your 
consideration...  when you scaled up the picture window you also scaled 
up the frame.  I think the frame on the open pane is too wide... looks 
like about six inches to me, based on the wine bottle, glasses, etc.

Of course you know you've got a good image if this is all people can 
find to criticize :-)

Tim Nikias wrote:
>>I've been loving it so far, but I have a problem now! That chair is (it
>>seems) floating above the floor .. the reflection of the bottom bar is a
>>long way from the bar itself. Also, the points at which the chair touch
>>the floor mean that if you lean forward to pick up your glass of wine,
>>the whole chair will tip forward and likely dump you out!
> 
> 
> Hm, yeah, now that you and Rene mention it... I'll have to change that
> before rerendering the image again. As for the floating, can't do much about
> it, it is *on* the floor. I'll recheck though and look if subdivision didn't
> turn out to leave the chair hovering a few millimetres...
> 
> Regards,
> Tim
>


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From: Tim Nikias
Subject: Re: Prepared for company (Final "Windows")
Date: 1 Sep 2005 10:11:58
Message: <43170c2e@news.povray.org>
> If you are re-rendering I will make another suggestion for your
> consideration...  when you scaled up the picture window you also scaled
> up the frame.  I think the frame on the open pane is too wide... looks
> like about six inches to me, based on the wine bottle, glasses, etc.

So you mean the width of the pane of the open/tilted window? Yeah, it could
be a little smaller and still look endurable enough... I'll check on that as
well. Thanks for pointing it out!

> Of course you know you've got a good image if this is all people can
> find to criticize :-)

Nice mentioning that. Thank you! :-)

-- 
"Tim Nikias v2.0"
Homepage: <http://www.nolights.de>


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From: Tim Nikias
Subject: Prepared for company (Update)
Date: 2 Sep 2005 05:19:44
Message: <43181930@news.povray.org>
Here's the update with the latest, suggested and important changes: the
chair shouldn't tip over anymore, and the window doesn't look like it's a
vault door. :-) 9.5 hours rendering, cause this time, I rendered at
3200x2400 with antialiasing.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
"Tim Nikias v2.0"
Homepage: <http://www.nolights.de>


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