I am involved with a local arts organization in the small town where I live.
POV-Ray was used to create the poster linked below. Comments welcome -
especially if you see a mistake - as we are just a few weeks from printing a
bunch of them for distribution. Both versions below are smaller than the 2
versions used for prints.  Render took about 900MB. Individual image
creation and editing was done via the GIMP.

http://fineartsforum.org/poster.php - about 200K
http://fineartsforum.org/D1/F274.htm - about 1.5MB

Bill

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Bill,

Nice concept.

A visual issue: The frames around the photos have a transparent inner 
framing. This makes the rays look like they're intruding into the photos 
of - e.g. the violinist.

I would have just done the rays in POV and built the collage in PSP, GIMP or 
even Powerpoint.

The shadows of the pics on the rays add very little to it. If you want 
pictures floating in space, you probably want them to look like it with a 
suggestion of greater distance between the ray plane and the pics, which in 
any event never shadow one another or show reflections. Also the globe 
backdrop would want lighting consistent with the rays.

DLM


"William Pokorny" <pokorny_at_epix.net> wrote in message 
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>I am involved with a local arts organization in the small town where I 
>live.
> POV-Ray was used to create the poster linked below. Comments welcome -
> especially if you see a mistake - as we are just a few weeks from printing 
> a
> bunch of them for distribution. Both versions below are smaller than the 2
> versions used for prints.  Render took about 900MB. Individual image
> creation and editing was done via the GIMP.
>
> http://fineartsforum.org/poster.php - about 200K
> http://fineartsforum.org/D1/F274.htm - about 1.5MB
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>

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William Pokorny wrote:
> I am involved with a local arts organization in the small town where I live.
> POV-Ray was used to create the poster linked below. Comments welcome -
> especially if you see a mistake - as we are just a few weeks from printing a
> bunch of them for distribution. Both versions below are smaller than the 2
> versions used for prints.  Render took about 900MB. Individual image
> creation and editing was done via the GIMP.
> 
> http://fineartsforum.org/poster.php - about 200K
> http://fineartsforum.org/D1/F274.htm - about 1.5MB

> 
Great concept for the poster and a interesting alternative application 
for POV-Ray.
I have been reading through the site with considerable interest and 
enjoyment.  Also the site itself is very well done imho.  The design 
does not get in the way of the information and the text is well written 
(though I would expect that given the strong literary makeup of the 
organization and the affiliations with higher education.)
I believe strongly that this sort of organization is the important, if 
not primary, role for the arts.  There is much, much more pride taken 
when the work is volunteered and the funding private.

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William Pokorny wrote:
> 

Shame you have to print it. The clickable online poster is much cooler 
than any print will be.

Looks like a good poster. It has a very academic look, so I guess that's 
what you were going for. I spent time in the company of some art types 
on Saturday. They work at a place where people puke up milk into a glass 
toilet as performance art and make big fly-covered murals out of peanut 
butter and bread. I was half-expecting the same type of thing when I 
read that you were part of a "local arts organization."

  -Shay

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Thanks. We will consider your comments along with the comments we garner
from those who review the test prints.

The images are supposed to be floating within a metal like framework sitting
upon the rays. In other words - the transparency you see is intentional
though I have apparently not generated the desired effect! It is easier to
see on the full resolution images, the smaller of those is about 3 times the
resolution of the larger image I put up on the web site. Perhaps this
resolution and the effect will come through better on the prints, but we
have yet to see them.

While I am talking about prints, does anyone know what printers are used by
Zazzle? I'd like to use them for our best large prints, which will end up
under frame in a few places, but  I am leaning towards a vendor in New York
which publishes details on the printers used, the resolutions at which they
run them and inks used.

While I agree there are different ways to assemble this image. Using a tool
like POV-Ray  frees one from having to edit the full image - which requires
more than 1.2G to load and edit with a single undo and just two layers.
Further during development of the image POV-Ray was used to generate much
smaller evaluation images. When looking at the full image the GIMP was used
only as an image browser.
Bill

"dlm" <me### [at] addressinvalid> wrote in message
news:41a177b2$1@news.povray.org...
> Bill,
>
> Nice concept.
>
> A visual issue: The frames around the photos have a transparent inner
> framing. This makes the rays look like they're intruding into the photos
> of - e.g. the violinist.
>
> I would have just done the rays in POV and built the collage in PSP, GIMP
or
> even Powerpoint.
>
> The shadows of the pics on the rays add very little to it. If you want
> pictures floating in space, you probably want them to look like it with a
> suggestion of greater distance between the ray plane and the pics, which
in
> any event never shadow one another or show reflections. Also the globe
> backdrop would want lighting consistent with the rays.
>
> DLM
>

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Thanks Jim. I'll pass along your comments to the other contributors to the
web site. We are fortunate to have some great volunteers.

I  too believe in community arts organizations and in revitalizing local
artists. The best art happens in small, personal spaces. While it is true
the artists employed for the world stage by art businesses often possess
great skill and ability, the connection to the community I live in and to me
is distant, illusory and often manufactured to fool me. I do enjoy art
produced by businesses, but when I seek real life,  I find what I desire
most readily in local arts. Local, personal, small scale art is intensely
moving and intensely real.

Stacking another soapbox upon my first and climbing atop - Big business art
is fine, but I think our world should again discover the value, importance
and easy affordability of community art.  :-)
Bill

"Jim Charter" <jrc### [at] msncom> wrote in message
news:41a211e2@news.povray.org...
> Great concept for the poster and a interesting alternative application
> for POV-Ray.
> I have been reading through the site with considerable interest and
> enjoyment.  Also the site itself is very well done imho.  The design
> does not get in the way of the information and the text is well written
> (though I would expect that given the strong literary makeup of the
> organization and the affiliations with higher education.)
> I believe strongly that this sort of organization is the important, if
> not primary, role for the arts.  There is much, much more pride taken
> when the work is volunteered and the funding private.

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Hi Shay.
The on line, clickable version is up to stay. The prints are mostly for
distribution to local schools and businesses though we will sell a few to
raise money.

> They work at a place where people puke up milk into a glass
> toilet as performance art and make big fly-covered murals out of peanut
> butter and bread.

Both methods of expression seem so much simpler than using POV-Ray, musical
instruments or paint.  I do wonder where they got the glass toilet as I
cannot imagine there is much of a market for such a thing. ;-)

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The other teeny little point you may have overlooked is that at the edge of 
the poster on the web, the pic frames are cropped off. Probably have a good 
market for every person depicted there. :)
DLM

"William Pokorny" <pokorny_at_epix.net> wrote in message 
news:41a2b232$1@news.povray.org...
> Thanks. We will consider your comments along with the comments we garner
> from those who review the test prints.
>
> The images are supposed to be floating within a metal like framework 
> sitting
> upon the rays. In other words - the transparency you see is intentional
> though I have apparently not generated the desired effect! It is easier to
> see on the full resolution images, the smaller of those is about 3 times 
> the
> resolution of the larger image I put up on the web site. Perhaps this
> resolution and the effect will come through better on the prints, but we
> have yet to see them.
>
> While I am talking about prints, does anyone know what printers are used 
> by
> Zazzle? I'd like to use them for our best large prints, which will end up
> under frame in a few places, but  I am leaning towards a vendor in New 
> York
> which publishes details on the printers used, the resolutions at which 
> they
> run them and inks used.
>
> While I agree there are different ways to assemble this image. Using a 
> tool
> like POV-Ray  frees one from having to edit the full image - which 
> requires
> more than 1.2G to load and edit with a single undo and just two layers.
> Further during development of the image POV-Ray was used to generate much
> smaller evaluation images. When looking at the full image the GIMP was 
> used
> only as an image browser.
> Bill
>
> "dlm" <me### [at] addressinvalid> wrote in message
> news:41a177b2$1@news.povray.org...
>> Bill,
>>
>> Nice concept.
>>
>> A visual issue: The frames around the photos have a transparent inner
>> framing. This makes the rays look like they're intruding into the photos
>> of - e.g. the violinist.
>>
>> I would have just done the rays in POV and built the collage in PSP, GIMP
> or
>> even Powerpoint.
>>
>> The shadows of the pics on the rays add very little to it. If you want
>> pictures floating in space, you probably want them to look like it with a
>> suggestion of greater distance between the ray plane and the pics, which
> in
>> any event never shadow one another or show reflections. Also the globe
>> backdrop would want lighting consistent with the rays.
>>
>> DLM
>>
>
>

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William Pokorny wrote:
> 
> Both methods of expression seem so much simpler than using POV-Ray,
> musical instruments or paint.

Depends on how a person is using POV-Ray, musical instruments, or paint. 
The vernacular for musical and visual expression is so well established. 
Country, contemporary, rock, punk, etc., etc., etc. It's all played on 
the same blues scales. Twenty years ago, people still found room to 
experiment with themes, but that seems to have been exhausted as well.

I don't pay attention to performance art, but I'm sure that much of the 
same can be said for most of it. I'm not saying one is is better or 
simpler than another. Looks like same=same to me.

> I do wonder where they got the glass  toilet as I cannot imagine
> there is much of a market for such a  thing. ;-)

??? Never saw it myself. It was described to me as "glass toilet". 
Possibly a generalization. I would guess a porcelain toilet with a clear 
PVC tube coming out of the bottom. I know that this thing was on a 
raised platform. But who knows? maybe the guy had a real glass toilet.

  -Shay

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Thank you - Something to fix.

"dlm" <me### [at] addressinvalid> wrote in message
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> The other teeny little point you may have overlooked is that at the edge
of
> the poster on the web, the pic frames are cropped off. Probably have a
good
> market for every person depicted there. :)
> DLM
>

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