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From: Txemi Jendrix
Subject: WIP Boat03 (102 Kb)
Date: 25 Jan 2003 00:14:54
Message: <3e321d4e@news.povray.org>
HI all.
It has been a busy week in Real Life (TM), but
tonight I've been working again on the boat.
I'll probably change the rudder (?) tomorrow.
Horse and man comes from Poser (man is there to
give a sense of scale, he is 1.70 mt tall).
I'm going to sleep right now (uhh, 6:14 a.m.)
Comments as always, are very welcome.
Bye.

Txemi Jendrix
http://www.txemijendrix.com


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From: Andrew Cocker
Subject: Re: WIP Boat03 (102 Kb)
Date: 25 Jan 2003 05:40:34
Message: <3e3269a2$1@news.povray.org>
"Txemi Jendrix" <tji### [at] euskalnetnet> wrote in message news:3e321d4e@news.povray.org...
> HI all.
> It has been a busy week in Real Life (TM), but
> tonight I've been working again on the boat.
> I'll probably change the rudder (?) tomorrow.
> Horse and man comes from Poser (man is there to
> give a sense of scale, he is 1.70 mt tall).
> I'm going to sleep right now (uhh, 6:14 a.m.)
> Comments as always, are very welcome.
> Bye.

Just something I noticed: The rudder handle (possibly not the correct nautical name
;-)) would
never have the wood grain running in that direction, as it would be very easy to snap.
The
grain would run length-ways IMHO.

All the best,

Andy Cocker


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From: Marc Jacquier
Subject: Re: WIP Boat03 (102 Kb)
Date: 25 Jan 2003 06:35:31
Message: <3e327683@news.povray.org>
Getting better :)
But the rudder blade shouldn't go deeper than the keel, that's good for sail
dinghy with a center blade.
Marc


3e321d4e@news.povray.org...
> HI all.
> It has been a busy week in Real Life (TM), but
> tonight I've been working again on the boat.
> I'll probably change the rudder (?) tomorrow.
> Horse and man comes from Poser (man is there to
> give a sense of scale, he is 1.70 mt tall).
> I'm going to sleep right now (uhh, 6:14 a.m.)
> Comments as always, are very welcome.
> Bye.
>
> Txemi Jendrix
> http://www.txemijendrix.com
>
>
>
>


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From: Jaime Vives Piqueres
Subject: Re: WIP Boat03 (102 Kb)
Date: 25 Jan 2003 07:42:46
Message: <20030125134246.60a76b19.jaimevives@ignorancia.org>
On Sat, 25 Jan 2003 06:15:58 +0100
"Txemi Jendrix" <tji### [at] euskalnetnet> wrote:

> HI all.
> It has been a busy week in Real Life (TM), but
> tonight I've been working again on the boat.
> I'll probably change the rudder (?) tomorrow.
> Horse and man comes from Poser (man is there to
> give a sense of scale, he is 1.70 mt tall).
> I'm going to sleep right now (uhh, 6:14 a.m.)
> Comments as always, are very welcome.
> Bye.

  Very nice model! The horse head seems a bit little for the boat, but
overall it's getting very nice. BTW, I hope you are going to put it on
a museum, because making it to navigate and intereact with the water
realistically can be a real challenge. ;)

-- 
Jaime Vives Piqueres
		
La Persistencia de la Ignorancia
http://www.ignorancia.org


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From: Txemi Jendrix
Subject: RE: WIP Boat03 (102 Kb)
Date: 25 Jan 2003 15:26:31
Message: <3e32f2f7$1@news.povray.org>

3e3269a2$1@news.povray.org...
> Just something I noticed: The rudder handle (possibly not the correct
nautical name ;-)) would
> never have the wood grain running in that direction, as it would be very
easy to snap. The
> grain would run length-ways IMHO.

I know, I know... but it was 6:14 a.m. and textures are not the final ones
(some of them have nothing to do with the final ones).
Bye.

Txemi Jendrix
http://www.txemijendrix.com


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From: Txemi Jendrix
Subject: RE: WIP Boat03 (102 Kb)
Date: 25 Jan 2003 15:30:47
Message: <3e32f3f7@news.povray.org>

> Getting better :)

Thank you.

> But the rudder blade shouldn't go deeper than the keel, that's good for
sail
> dinghy with a center blade.
> Marc

I didn't know it. I followed (with some variations of my own) this design
taken from
http://www.compumarine.com/
I'll change it in the new version.
Thanks for the tip.
Bye.


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From: Txemi Jendrix
Subject: RE: WIP Boat03 (102 Kb)
Date: 25 Jan 2003 15:50:55
Message: <3e32f8af@news.povray.org>

200### [at] ignoranciaorg...
> On Sat, 25 Jan 2003 06:15:58 +0100
>   Very nice model! The horse head seems a bit little for the boat, but
> overall it's getting very nice.

Hola Jaime.
Thank you very much. Well, if I make the horse a bit bigger it seems to me
as it is going to make the boat sink. I'm gonna leave it as it is for the
moment.

> BTW, I hope you are going to put it on
> a museum, because making it to navigate and intereact with the water
> realistically can be a real challenge. ;)

I wasn't thinking about a Museum.
The image in my mind is Leonardo's workshop (I have to do more models of
Leonardo) maybe showing the boat to Ludovico Sforza, Duke of Milan.
(It's maybe too much, but lets see...).
Bye.

> --
> Jaime Vives Piqueres
>
> La Persistencia de la Ignorancia
> http://www.ignorancia.org


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From: earthdog
Subject: Re: WIP Boat03 (102 Kb)
Date: 25 Jan 2003 23:33:31
Message: <3e33651b$1@news.povray.org>
"Txemi Jendrix" <tji### [at] euskalnetnet> wrote in message
news:3e321d4e@news.povray.org...
> HI all.
> It has been a busy week in Real Life (TM), but
> tonight I've been working again on the boat.
> I'll probably change the rudder (?) tomorrow.
> Horse and man comes from Poser (man is there to
> give a sense of scale, he is 1.70 mt tall).
> I'm going to sleep right now (uhh, 6:14 a.m.)
> Comments as always, are very welcome.
> Bye.
>
> Txemi Jendrix
> http://www.txemijendrix.com
>
>
>
>

The boat is great.  The horse makes a great "maidenhead".  One thing,
though.  Isn't it going to be rather hard to turn the paddles?  The
mechanical advantage (disadvantage?) of trying to turn the tiny paddle
sprocket with the large crank sprocket against the water resistance created
by the paddles themselves....


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From: Txemi Jendrix
Subject: RE: WIP Boat03 (102 Kb)
Date: 26 Jan 2003 17:03:14
Message: <3e345b22$1@news.povray.org>

3e33651b$1@news.povray.org...
> The boat is great.  The horse makes a great "maidenhead".

Thank you very much.

> One thing, though.
> Isn't it going to be rather hard to turn the paddles?  The
> mechanical advantage (disadvantage?) of trying to turn the tiny paddle
> sprocket with the large crank sprocket against the water resistance
created
> by the paddles themselves....

Sure, but I've only followed Leonardo's instructions....
AFAIK this boat with paddles was never built, it appears in
the "Windsor folios", though there is another version more
complex (mechanically talking) in the "Codex Atlanticus".
Leonardo had great ideas but the only energy he could
count with was human strength so I suppose all these
machines (including flying ones) failed in their purpose.
But, as with other machines, it's amazing to see something
that was thought in XV century and that look so modern.
A good mix if old & new technology, I believe.
Bye.

Txemi Jendrix
http://www.txemijendrix.com


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From: earthdog
Subject: Re: WIP Boat03 (102 Kb)
Date: 27 Jan 2003 00:29:54
Message: <3e34c3d2@news.povray.org>
> Sure, but I've only followed Leonardo's instructions....
> AFAIK this boat with paddles was never built, it appears in
> the "Windsor folios", though there is another version more
> complex (mechanically talking) in the "Codex Atlanticus".
> Leonardo had great ideas but the only energy he could
> count with was human strength so I suppose all these
> machines (including flying ones) failed in their purpose.
> But, as with other machines, it's amazing to see something
> that was thought in XV century and that look so modern.
> A good mix if old & new technology, I believe.
> Bye.
>
You wouldn't happen to have links to an online version of these works, would
you?  I've heard something about them and how "ahead of his time" he was,
but I've never seen them.

--Jeff


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