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From: Tim Nikias
Subject: Too lonely - Loneliness (WIP)
Date: 18 Aug 2002 10:28:20
Message: <3d5faf04@news.povray.org>
Since we're closing in on the deadline and most of my
friends observed the changes all the way through, I thought
I'd try and get some new oppinions from here.

IMO the image is pretty self-explanatory, so...

No radiosity (will be used for final version), photons are
in (as you can see in the glass), everything CSG except for
the note, made with heightfield and some pigment-patterns
as function...

Final version will also use area-lights, no focal-blur, cause
it doesn't work that well with this image (I've tried).

So, comments?

--
Tim Nikias
Homepage: http://www.digitaltwilight.de/no_lights/index.html
Email: Tim### [at] gmxde


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From: Remco de Korte
Subject: Re: Too lonely - Loneliness (WIP)
Date: 18 Aug 2002 10:42:32
Message: <3D5FB182.58C88C32@onwijs.com>
The image looks very good and I'm not very good in
technicalities so I won't comment there. 
The message might also have read:
"Goodbye world. I'll make it short. This paper is far too
wrinkled to write a decent farewell message on."
That's the only thing I wanted to comment on. 
Oh, and are you suggesting that my red-and-yellow pills are
lethal?


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From: Tim Nikias
Subject: Re: Too lonely - Loneliness (WIP)
Date: 18 Aug 2002 11:14:20
Message: <3d5fb9cc$1@news.povray.org>
The wrinkled paper was meant to convey that
the person who wrote the farewell had been
thinking about it sometime. Like taking the
note out of the trash-bin again after thinking
otherwise.

And with the pills I'm not suggesting anything except
that he took pills to leave...

--
Tim Nikias
Homepage: http://www.digitaltwilight.de/no_lights/index.html
Email: Tim### [at] gmxde

"Remco de Korte" <rem### [at] onwijscom> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:3D5FB182.58C88C32@onwijs.com...
> The image looks very good and I'm not very good in
> technicalities so I won't comment there.
> The message might also have read:
> "Goodbye world. I'll make it short. This paper is far too
> wrinkled to write a decent farewell message on."
> That's the only thing I wanted to comment on.
> Oh, and are you suggesting that my red-and-yellow pills are
> lethal?


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From: Batronyx
Subject: Re: Too lonely - Loneliness (WIP)
Date: 18 Aug 2002 11:26:37
Message: <3d5fbcad@news.povray.org>
I don't have much to offer on this except to say, I think you would be doing
yourself a great injustice if you didn't also enter IcedLand. It's better (at
least in theme ) IMHO.

--
light_source{0,1}#macro c(J,a)sphere{0,1pigment{rgb z}scale a translate J+O}
#end#macro B(R,V,O)c(0,4)intersection{c(V,R)difference{c(-z*4x+10)c(-z*4.1x+
10)c(0<7.5,45,5>)}}#end B(12,0z*25)B(8y*4<0,12,50>)          // Batronyx ^"^


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From: William F  Pokorny
Subject: Re: Too lonely - Loneliness (WIP)
Date: 18 Aug 2002 11:35:22
Message: <3D5FBEBA.B00EE049@attglobal.net>
Tim,
I think the trouble is that the open pen, it's position and the ink
spill lead us to think the note was written as the pills did their work.
If so, why is the paper wrinkled?  The obvious explanation which remains
is that the pill taker had been repeatedly wadding up and then unfolding
a blank piece of paper.  I suppose somebody might do this, but I think
it more likely the individual would be mentally thrashing over an
already  written  note.
Bill P.

> The wrinkled paper was meant to convey that
> the person who wrote the farewell had been
> thinking about it sometime. Like taking the
> note out of the trash-bin again after thinking
> otherwise.
>
> And with the pills I'm not suggesting anything except
> that he took pills to leave...
>
>


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From: William F  Pokorny
Subject: Re: Too lonely - Loneliness (WIP)
Date: 18 Aug 2002 11:37:05
Message: <3D5FBF1E.4C480E76@attglobal.net>
I agree!

> I don't have much to offer on this except to say, I think you would be doing
> yourself a great injustice if you didn't also enter IcedLand. It's better (at
> least in theme ) IMHO.


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From: Tim Nikias
Subject: Re: Too lonely - Loneliness (WIP)
Date: 18 Aug 2002 12:22:58
Message: <3d5fc9e2$1@news.povray.org>
Okay, you two just convinced me! I'll enter
Iced Land...

--
Tim Nikias
Homepage: http://www.digitaltwilight.de/no_lights/index.html
Email: Tim### [at] gmxde
"William F. Pokorny" <pok### [at] attglobalnet> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:3D5FBF1E.4C480E76@attglobal.net...
> I agree!
>
> > I don't have much to offer on this except to say, I think you would be
doing
> > yourself a great injustice if you didn't also enter IcedLand. It's
better (at
> > least in theme ) IMHO.
>


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From: Tim Nikias
Subject: Re: Too lonely - Loneliness (WIP)
Date: 18 Aug 2002 12:27:23
Message: <3d5fcaeb$1@news.povray.org>
How about this:
He began writing the note, trashed it, added a sentence,
trashed it again, added the last note, threw pen away,
took pills while sobbing (thus the the few remaining pills,
he dropped them), put the glass on the note, so that it won't
fly away.
I wasn't too comfortable with the idea that he just writes his
note and leaves, so I made the paper wrinkled, as if he
was pondering about this a long time, even though some lines
were already written.
Perhaps if I'd made the first line a little more gray, rather
than black, it would appear to be older, bleached out,
and then everything would fit?

Simply put, I didn't want this image to be purely realistic,
but also a little desolate, untidy. The person is just lost
in chaos.
Its meant to be a little more expressionistic rather than 100%
realistic.

--
Tim Nikias
Homepage: http://www.digitaltwilight.de/no_lights/index.html
Email: Tim### [at] gmxde
"William F. Pokorny" <pok### [at] attglobalnet> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:3D5FBEBA.B00EE049@attglobal.net...
> Tim,
> I think the trouble is that the open pen, it's position and the ink
> spill lead us to think the note was written as the pills did their work.
> If so, why is the paper wrinkled?  The obvious explanation which remains
> is that the pill taker had been repeatedly wadding up and then unfolding
> a blank piece of paper.  I suppose somebody might do this, but I think
> it more likely the individual would be mentally thrashing over an
> already  written  note.
> Bill P.
>
> > The wrinkled paper was meant to convey that
> > the person who wrote the farewell had been
> > thinking about it sometime. Like taking the
> > note out of the trash-bin again after thinking
> > otherwise.
> >
> > And with the pills I'm not suggesting anything except
> > that he took pills to leave...
> >
> >
>


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From: Martin Magnusson
Subject: Re: Too lonely - Loneliness (WIP)
Date: 18 Aug 2002 13:19:58
Message: <3D5FD737.3030603@frustratedhousewives.zzn.com>
One bit of criticism:
It's easy to tell that the person wrote the note with a word processor, 
and not that pen... All the o's look the same.

/ Martin


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From: Hugo
Subject: Re: Too lonely - Loneliness (WIP)
Date: 18 Aug 2002 15:29:06
Message: <3d5ff582$1@news.povray.org>
> It's easy to tell that the person wrote the note with a word
> processor,  and not that pen... All the o's look the same.

What about the d's then?  No.. It's alright with me, as this is CG art.. But
I'm not convinced about the glass.. Even though you added water drops, which
is a nice touch.

Regards,
Hugo


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