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From: Thomas Lake
Subject: Kitchen - Ver 2 (~160Kb)
Date: 18 May 2002 22:49:44
Message: <3ce712c8@news.povray.org>
Here's version 2. Not much changed but I took the advice of some and changed
the lighting and used much higher antialiasing settings. I'm not sure if I
like this one or the other version better, they both are nice and have
different atmospheres, the first one has a more intimate feeling while this
one is brighter and softer. I've also added a few objects, the bottles at
the back, plate in the sink, and the lamp off to the side. I tried many
different antialiasing settings in an attempt to smooth out the blinds and

aperture of 0.05 did nothing at all, +AM2 +0.01 +r9 would have taken weeks
if not months. I ended up using +AM2 +A0.05. I might try better settings in
the future but at over 71hrs trace time I'm getting tired of doing this
one:) Here are the stats and settings for this version:

Rad:
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pretrace_start 0.01
pretrace_end   0.005
count 400
nearest_count 5
error_bound 0.5
recursion_limit 7
low_error_factor 0.5
gray_threshold 0.0
minimum_reuse 0.015
brightness 1
adc_bailout 0.01/2

Photons:
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count 2000000
autostop 0
jitter .4

Stats:
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Peak mem used: 240,156,695 bytes
Parse: 1min,18sec
Photons: 3min,41sec
Trace: 71Hrs,25mins,1sec


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From: Slime
Subject: Re: Kitchen - Ver 2 (~160Kb)
Date: 18 May 2002 23:25:19
Message: <3ce71b1f$1@news.povray.org>
This is 95 to 100% photorealistic, IMO.

AA is pretty good. If you're concerned about the moire for the final image,
you should do a double, triple, or quadruple resolution render of just the
blinds, and then scale them down in photoshop or something and paste them on
top of the original image.

There are very minor flaws that i could be really picky about, but I think
this could pass for a photo. I think the dishwashing liquid container needs
a label of some sort.

I'd like to see you post this somewhere and claim it's a photo and see how
people react =) but i'm just like that. =)

 - Slime
[ http://www.slimeland.com/ ]


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From: Jim Charter
Subject: Re: Kitchen - Ver 2 (~160Kb)
Date: 18 May 2002 23:30:43
Message: <3CE71C51.2050504@aol.com>
Beautiful render.  Great attention to detail.  Do you think that kitchen 
  is a signifier for "mother"?


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From: GrimDude
Subject: Re: Kitchen - Ver 2 (~160Kb)
Date: 19 May 2002 01:31:08
Message: <3ce7389c$1@news.povray.org>
Man, post the code! :)

Grim


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From: Thomas Lake
Subject: Re: Kitchen - Ver 2 (~160Kb)
Date: 19 May 2002 03:33:08
Message: <3ce75534$1@news.povray.org>
> Man, post the code! :)
>
> Grim

Thanks!:-)

Well as I mentioned before this scene has over 150MB of meshes in them and I
don't think people would be happy if I posted those:) Specifically the
following objects are meshes:

Microwave
Dishwasher
Stove
Sink
Teapot
Butchers Knife
Hanging Lamp shade
Desk Lamp

All the other stuff is native Pov. I can post the code if you don't mind
those objects missing. Also I use Moray so the resulting scene file is right
handed. Oh and there are also some image maps in there.


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From: Thomas Lake
Subject: Re: Kitchen - Ver 2 (~160Kb)
Date: 19 May 2002 03:36:51
Message: <3ce75613$1@news.povray.org>
> This is 95 to 100% photorealistic, IMO.

:-)

> AA is pretty good. If you're concerned about the moire for the final
image,
> you should do a double, triple, or quadruple resolution render of just the
> blinds, and then scale them down in photoshop or something and paste them
on
> top of the original image.

I thought of that but the problem is that the blinds take up most of the
rendering time for the image anyways. For this render it took over 2 days to
finish the blinds, about 38% of the image, the rest took a hair under a day
so I wouldn't be saving a huge amount of time by not rendering the rest of
the scene.

> There are very minor flaws that i could be really picky about, but I think
> this could pass for a photo. I think the dishwashing liquid container
needs
> a label of some sort.

Yes I noticed this too, also its shape is somewhat cartoony which is only
accentuated by the lack of a label.

> I'd like to see you post this somewhere and claim it's a photo and see how
> people react =) but i'm just like that. =)

hehe.


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From: Thomas Lake
Subject: Re: Kitchen - Ver 2 (~160Kb)
Date: 19 May 2002 03:41:56
Message: <3ce75744$1@news.povray.org>
> Beautiful render.  Great attention to detail.

Thanks!

> Do you think that kitchen is a signifier for "mother"?

Do you mean a metaphor? Hmm well I didn't plan it out with that in mind but
I can see where you are coming from, I was going for a warm intimate cozy
feeling which when combined with the setting could stand as a metaphor for
mother I guess.


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From: Thomas Lake
Subject: Re: Kitchen - Ver 2 (~160Kb)
Date: 19 May 2002 03:52:07
Message: <3ce759a7$1@news.povray.org>
> Microwave
> Dishwasher
> Stove
> Sink
> Teapot
> Butchers Knife
> Hanging Lamp shade
> Desk Lamp

+=Toaster Oven
+=Phone
+=Toaster
+=Dish Liquid Container


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From: Thomas Lake
Subject: Re: Kitchen - Ver 2 (~160Kb)
Date: 19 May 2002 04:20:27
Message: <3ce7604b$1@news.povray.org>
One thing I just noticed about this image is that it seems to be very colour
temperature dependant. It does't look right unless viewed with a monitor
colour temp of 6500k, this is the setting I always use so I didn't notice
this until viewing it at 9300 on someone elses monitor.


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Subject: Re: Kitchen - Ver 2 (~160Kb)
Date: 19 May 2002 07:51:13
Message: <3ce791b1$1@news.povray.org>
"Slime" <slm### [at] slimelandcom> wrote in message
news:3ce71b1f$1@news.povray.org...
> This is 95 to 100% photorealistic, IMO.
>
> AA is pretty good. If you're concerned about the moire for the final
image,
> you should do a double, triple, or quadruple resolution render of just the
> blinds, and then scale them down in photoshop or something and paste them
on
> top of the original image.
>
> There are very minor flaws that i could be really picky about, but I think
> this could pass for a photo. I think the dishwashing liquid container
needs
> a label of some sort.
>
> I'd like to see you post this somewhere and claim it's a photo and see how
> people react =) but i'm just like that. =)

I'm not an expert of any sort, but two main things come to mind that strive
against this image looking like a photo, for me at least.
Firstly my own digital camera doesn't takes pictures with this kind of a
viewing angle. Look at the upper left for example. The second thing is that
it looks too artificial with no dirt or any kind of non-perfect aspects in
it. Maybe I'm just adjusted to our kitchen. :)
This third thing isn't maybe what your after, but I think the lighting is
just too dim for a kitchen environment, but it could be that the main lights
aren't on.
For the focal blur you need apertive and blur_samples to enable it.


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