Hi all,

This is my first serious effort with POV, though I've used other (more 
expensive!) packages in the past.  There are many details lacking (for 
example, the white box between the beer taps and the cooler will 
eventually be a cash register).  Still, I'm interested in some general 
feedback, as I've been staring at it long enough that I can hardly see 
it anymore.

BTW, there will eventually be a tie-in for the irtc loneliness 
competition (if I have time).  I intend to have a figure seated at the 
bar in the extreme foreground, and another standing behind the bar in 
the distance.  I need a definite separation between foreground and 
background, which is my motivation for both the perspective and the use 
of focal blur.

One other thing I want to add is atmospheric media to get the hazy 
effect of cigarette smoke.  However, focal blur + radiosity + photons + 
media + 200MHz pentium = death wish.  I'd like to replace the computer, 
but I don't think that will happen in time for the irtc deadline... The 
attached image, which does include a few photons, took six hours to 
render on the old clunker.  I'd be willing to accept render times of a 
couple of days for the full-resolution image for submission.

The idea of human figures presents a problem, too.  I'm a linux-head AND 
I'm poor, so Poser doesn't seem like a realistic option.  On the other 
hand, I can purchase Poser 4 for $120 (US), which seems like a good 
price.  Are there any linux users here who have tried poser with wine?

Thanks for your comments--Maybe I'll post another image once I get some 
more detailed modeling done.

	-Ed

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Looks realistic, keep up the good work!

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> This is my first serious effort with POV, though I've used other
> (more expensive!) packages in the past.

Great, man.  :o)  It looks nice already. It's rather dark (I usually
complain about this but I realize a bar IS dark) and I tried to find the
photons. Must be for the glasses, but I'm not sure the photons can be seen
at this distance / resolution. The glasses are almost invisible too. But the
textures for wood and table are really good! The overall light distribution
is convincing, though as I said, dark which will hide a lot of details.

Poser? I seem to remember somebody mentioned free versions. They are
probably crippled though.

Haze? Well to keep the render time reasonable, I'd try a subtle fog{} and
small media spheres around the light sources. If you want long beams for the
lights, you could use media cones pointing in the same direction as the spot
lights.

Warp posted some code for glows:
http://news.povray.org/povray.text.scene-files/18320/

And for conical beams, Bob Hughes code can be found in this thread:
http://news.povray.org/povray.general/21364/


Regards,
Hugo

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"Hugo" <hua### [at] post3teledk> wrote in message
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>. It's rather dark (I usually
> complain about this but I realize a bar IS dark)

I generally think that effective use of darkness is often just as important
as effective use of details.

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> I generally think that effective use of darkness is often just as
> important as effective use of details.

Well, that's true....


- Hugo

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On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:05:40 -0500, John Vodden wrote:


> "Hugo" <hua### [at] post3teledk> wrote in message
> news:3d4820b8$1@news.povray.org...
>>. It's rather dark (I usually
>> complain about this but I realize a bar IS dark)
> 
> I generally think that effective use of darkness is often just as
> important as effective use of details.
 
Interesting, this talk of darkness.  I realized after posting the image
that I had failed to include an assumed_gamma.  When I set it at 1.0,
suddenly everything was much brighter.  I think, though, that if I go
tweak the lights now, the overall effect will be more convincing.

I can probably also futz about with the area_light in the bottle cooler
to make it render faster and get rid of that eerie glow above it.

	-Ed

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On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:56:24 -0500, Ed Jackson wrote:
 
 
> The idea of human figures presents a problem, too.  I'm a linux-head AND 
> I'm poor, so Poser doesn't seem like a realistic option.  On the other 
> hand, I can purchase Poser 4 for $120 (US), which seems like a good 
> price.  Are there any linux users here who have tried poser with wine?

You could probably get away with BlobMan, do a search on the POV-Ray links
page.  I'm sure it's 3.5 compatible. 

Looking good so far, but when you get those mirrors and all the other 
bottels behind the bar render times may shoot up. 

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