On Sat, 19 Feb 2000 14:24:23 -0600, David Fontaine <dav### [at] faricynet>
wrote:

>Peter Popov wrote:
>
>> I archive them on CD every month. Everyone could do the same at will.
>
>What about us poor online modem readers?

I *am* a modem user too, just one with with a bit of a pessimistic
forecasting abilities.


Peter Popov
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2000 14:27:38 -0600, David Fontaine <dav### [at] faricynet>
wrote:

>How can there not be enough room on the server? I thought there was only
>about two CDs worth of stuff in all the groups.

It's less than a CD's worth. There's the ftp server and web server and
all the resources they contain. This should sum up to about 512 MB
which seems a good round number for a chunk of rented space.

Of course these are all unofficial speculations of mine.


Peter Popov
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Ken wrote:

> David Fontaine wrote:
> >
> > How can there not be enough room on the server?
>
> There is a finite amount of space set aside for this server and that
> space has been consumed by 3 years of growing activity.

Sorry, I didn't know the space was rented.
Now let's see, if everyone in these NGs contributed a few hundred bucks you
could buy your own high-end server... maybe not a good plan :-)

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IRTC overcomes copyright problems by making people submit to its
copyright procedure in writing in advance. P.b.* would have to warn
people a whole lot in advance first, probably.  (I actually thought for
months that p.*.* was also on the CD's; many others probably would NOT
have submitted if they knew it could be sold).

Glen Berry wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Feb 2000 21:30:29 -0800, Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote:
>
> >One benifit of a CD version of the server is that you would not have
> >to wait for large binary attachments to download over a slow assed
> >modem connection :)
>
> Yes, it would certainly have some benefits.
>
> later,
> Glen Berry

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>Now let's see, if everyone in these NGs contributed a few hundred bucks you
>could buy your own high-end server... maybe not a good plan :-)


That would be a huge ammount of money...

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"Greg M. Johnson" wrote:
> 
> IRTC overcomes copyright problems by making people submit to its
> copyright procedure in writing in advance. P.b.* would have to warn
> people a whole lot in advance first, probably.  (I actually thought for
> months that p.*.* was also on the CD's; many others probably would NOT
> have submitted if they knew it could be sold).

If you look at the expanded message headers for the messages posted here
you will find the following statement -


X-Copyright: This copyrighted article comes from a private news server
             and may NOT be distributed on USENET or other news servers.


I'm not sure that this gives the POV-Team any rights to further distribute
our work or the messages posted here but it seems possible that it might.


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On Sun, 20 Feb 2000 13:51:38 -0800, Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote:

>If you look at the expanded message headers for the messages posted here
>you will find the following statement -
>
>X-Copyright: This copyrighted article comes from a private news server
>             and may NOT be distributed on USENET or other news servers.
>
>I'm not sure that this gives the POV-Team any rights to further distribute
>our work or the messages posted here but it seems possible that it might.

I don't get that impression from that statement at all. In fact, it
makes me wonder how the POV-Team could own the copyrights to mine and
other people's comments. I think they don't have the rights to
re-publish what I, or others, have said here without permission. 

For a moment, I considered that perhaps this is considered a public
forum and the comments part of some sort of public record, but they
claim in the above statement that this is a *private* forum, and seem
to claim ownership of the contents.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not upset about anything here. I'm just not
sure how much ownership they might have over comments and concepts
expressed by myself or others. Under US law, I own the copyright to
anything I create, from the moment of it's creation, unless I decide
to transfer all or part of those rights to another party. However,
this is an international forum, and that is sure to complicate things
in ways I can't predict. Personally, I would never publish anything
here that I considered a valuable secret anyway.

I don't care too much at this point if we lose the older messages. It
might be nice to keep an eternal archive of old files, but eventually
the storage space would be an issue again, even if we were to solve it
for the moment.  Nothing lasts forever, and sometimes holding onto the
past gets in the way of one's future. 

later,
Glen Berry

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Glen,

undel any legislature one is the owher of one's intelectual product,
be it a post or a picture ot whatever. The Team know this pretty well
I am sure. Nowhere is it said nor implied that they or anyone else is
the owner of your or anyone else's posts and/or work posted here. This
statement is there for our own sake, to discourage people from feeding
articles from this server on the Usenet and vice versa, thus saving us
from the spammers out there. 

Besides, this *is* a private newsserver as it is not connected to the
Usenet public servers.

I dare say I am voicing my opinion as a TAG member here.


Peter Popov
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So, what are the legal options of creating a  p.b.ptoc:
povray.binaries.povteamownscopyright ?  The owner, by posting, give the
Team right to distribute on pov server and to sell CD's!

Peter Popov wrote:

> Glen,
>
> undel any legislature one is the owher of one's intelectual product,
> be it a post or a picture ot whatever. The Team know this pretty well
> I am sure. Nowhere is it said nor implied that they or anyone else is
> the owner of your or anyone else's posts and/or work posted here. This
> statement is there for our own sake, to discourage people from feeding
> articles from this server on the Usenet and vice versa, thus saving us
> from the spammers out there.
>
> Besides, this *is* a private newsserver as it is not connected to the
> Usenet public servers.
>
> I dare say I am voicing my opinion as a TAG member here.
>
> Peter Popov
> pet### [at] usanet
> ICQ: 15002700

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Peter Popov wrote:
> 
> Glen,
> 
> undel any legislature one is the owher of one's intelectual product,
> be it a post or a picture ot whatever. The Team know this pretty well
> I am sure. Nowhere is it said nor implied that they or anyone else is
> the owner of your or anyone else's posts and/or work posted here. This
> statement is there for our own sake, to discourage people from feeding
> articles from this server on the Usenet and vice versa, thus saving us
> from the spammers out there.
> 
> Besides, this *is* a private newsserver as it is not connected to the
> Usenet public servers.

I admit that I know exactly what the intent of the server copyright warning
is. I just thought I would play the "word" lawyer or devils advocate so to
speak :)

Any statement like that is open to various interpertaions unless it is
clearly spelled out and the server copyright warning appended to each
message on this server is a clear case of this.

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http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html http://www.povray.org/links/

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