So, I've gone back to the old perspective and now just zoomed
in a little. I couldn't find any satisfying new perspective without
rearranging the entire room or perhaps modelling a new one, and
in my taste, that would be making a new image, rather than just
enhancing an old one.

I've also made some other, subtle changes:
The lamp's shade is now somewhat cyan instead of yellow, but I think
it'll return to something yellowish. The Glass of the bowl was made
thinner.
The flowers got moved due to the new visible area. The petals are
using double-illuminate to receive some proper lighting from the moon,
but I guess I'll make them an actual mesh-volume with subsurface-
scattering instead of a 2d-double_illuminate-fake. This'll probably
have to be applied to the remaining parts of the flower as well.

I've also decided to remodel the base of the lamp. I'll probably go
with something more filligran, with nice curves and spirals, less
blocky and obstrusive as the actual base. The lamp will have to change
with that, and perhaps it'll receive a paper-shade to illuminate some of
the room.

Anyways, suggestions and comments are welcome,
Tim

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Oh, I've forgot to mention that the notebook now was scaled
down to a sort of those smaller notebooks only suitable for
scribbles and such, shopping lists etc. That's why the letter
was removed (which was to replaced sometime anyway).


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On Sun, 19 Jan 2003 13:53:17 +0100, Tim Nikias wrote:

> So, I've gone back to the old perspective and now just zoomed
> in a little. I couldn't find any satisfying new perspective without
> rearranging the entire room or perhaps modelling a new one, and
> in my taste, that would be making a new image, rather than just
> enhancing an old one.
> 
> I've also made some other, subtle changes:
> The lamp's shade is now somewhat cyan instead of yellow, but I think
> it'll return to something yellowish. The Glass of the bowl was made
> thinner.
> The flowers got moved due to the new visible area. The petals are
> using double-illuminate to receive some proper lighting from the moon,
> but I guess I'll make them an actual mesh-volume with subsurface-
> scattering instead of a 2d-double_illuminate-fake. This'll probably
> have to be applied to the remaining parts of the flower as well.
> 
> I've also decided to remodel the base of the lamp. I'll probably go
> with something more filligran, with nice curves and spirals, less
> blocky and obstrusive as the actual base. The lamp will have to change
> with that, and perhaps it'll receive a paper-shade to illuminate some of
> the room.
> 
> Anyways, suggestions and comments are welcome,
> Tim

The moon looks a little faked. You should decrease its brilliance and maybe 
make it less blueish. It's still looking amazing. I could never make 
anything this impressive.
One more thing. How do you make volume meshes anyway?

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> The moon looks a little faked. You should decrease its brilliance and maybe
> make it less blueish.

Hm. I've already figured that the moon had a wrong axis, that'll be easy to
fix. Though I don't think I'll get a moon someone will actually think I've
taken a photograph of. Right now, the moon is a sphere with a nice image-map
and a bump-map. I'll be fiddling with using less image and more bumps, but
I guess this is about as good as it gets. Making it glow less is a very easy
feature, most of it comes from a fake lens-flare. The blueish part is a little
more difficult, cause the actual image-map was tainted that color, mainly
for fun and artistic merit, not realism.

> It's still looking amazing. I could never make anything this impressive.

Thanks! But to be honest: when I was beginning with POV, I thought
the same of myself as well. Sometimes I do get that close to realism that
I'm surprised myself. It's mostly just a lot of patience and one small step at a time.

> One more thing. How do you make volume meshes anyway?

Well, for the flower-petals I just create one petal, which is a rectangular,
flat mesh. When I take the data of that and inflate it a little, I can attach
it to the first part, and thus, both sides enclose a volume. Inside this, interior{}
will take effect.
The essential part for volume meshes is that they have to be thoroughly closed,
without open gaps, and then, interior mostly works magically fine. At least
for me! :-)


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Hi, I know I am late but you could try to put the camera inside the bowl
looking the moon (pointing to the mountain, then the bowlglass, then the
flowers and the window with the moon)...  May be it will give you a very
nice effect and the worldbowl will remain the centered subject of your pic

Cheers

Tommy

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"Tim Nikias" <tim### [at] gmxde> wrote in message
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Best yet. The window just looks wrong now, however. I would suggest moving
the lamp so that the reflection is not so prominent in the window. I think
that I expect more reflection in the window, at least in the illuminated
part. Perhaps a hard shadow line across the window with the room reflected
in the illuminated portion and the outside visible in the shaded portion
would add some realism.

If the worldbowl is meant to suggest a broad scale of thinking, then some
suggestion in the window that the location of the house is actually present
in the worldbowl might strengthen that association. The reflection of the
moon in the ocean outside of the window might be appropriate. I believe that
a broad view of the resident's own situation would be more interesting than
a broad view of a distant landscape.

 -Shay

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