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From: Chrisir
Subject: Please no beta expires on the..... anymore
Date: 15 Oct 2006 07:50:01
Message: <web.4532202db94e715f15b159e0@news.povray.org>
Hello!

I have a request.

Please stop programming the "feature" for the beta versions
to expire on a certain date.

That is very inconvenient.

Keep up the wonderful work!

Chrisir


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Please no beta expires on the..... anymore
Date: 15 Oct 2006 08:53:04
Message: <45322f30@news.povray.org>
Chrisir <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> Please stop programming the "feature" for the beta versions
> to expire on a certain date.

> That is very inconvenient.

  Nobody is forcing you to use the beta versions. Use 3.6 if you don't
want it to expire.

-- 
                                                          - Warp


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From: Alain
Subject: Re: Please no beta expires on the..... anymore
Date: 15 Oct 2006 12:36:11
Message: <4532637b@news.povray.org>
Chrisir nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 15/10/2006 07:49:

> Hello!

> I have a request.

> Please stop programming the "feature" for the beta versions
> to expire on a certain date.

> That is very inconvenient.

> Keep up the wonderful work!

> Chrisir

There is a very good reason for betas to expire.

Here it is: beta are debuging development releases. Developers don't need bug 
reports about older versions, only about the latest version. Without the 
expiration, older versions will continue to float arount, benerating a flow of 
"bug" reports about isues that have already been resolved, bogging down the 
finding of genuine bugs and hindering the development process. I have seen that 
in other projects, many bug reports about things that where fixed over a YEAR, 
and more than 20 versions ago... Even some cases of previous major versions beta 
releases.

And, as Warp mentioned, you don't NEED to use any beta release.

-- 
Alain
-------------------------------------------------
If you're ever about to be mugged by a couple of clowns, don't hesitate - go for 
the juggler.


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From: Mogens Kjaer
Subject: Re: Please no beta expires on the..... anymore
Date: 16 Oct 2006 02:27:33
Message: <45332655@news.povray.org>
Alain wrote:
...
> And, as Warp mentioned, you don't NEED to use any beta release.
> 

Maybe many - like me - don't download the betas
and search for bugs, simply because it expires so quickly.

Mogens

-- 
Mogens Kjaer, Carlsberg A/S, Computer Department
Gamle Carlsberg Vej 10, DK-2500 Valby, Denmark
Phone: +45 33 27 53 25, Fax: +45 33 27 47 08
Email: mk### [at] crcdk Homepage: http://www.crc.dk


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From: Trevor G Quayle
Subject: Re: Please no beta expires on the..... anymore
Date: 16 Oct 2006 09:25:00
Message: <web.4533874b17e0d089c150d4c10@news.povray.org>
Mogens Kjaer <mk### [at] crcdk> wrote:
> Alain wrote:
> ...
> > And, as Warp mentioned, you don't NEED to use any beta release.
> >
>
> Maybe many - like me - don't download the betas
> and search for bugs, simply because it expires so quickly.
>
> Mogens
>
> --
> Mogens Kjaer, Carlsberg A/S, Computer Department
> Gamle Carlsberg Vej 10, DK-2500 Valby, Denmark
> Phone: +45 33 27 53 25, Fax: +45 33 27 47 08
> Email: mk### [at] crcdk Homepage: http://www.crc.dk

We have been through this over and over again throughout the beta testing
rounds.  The expiration is there for a reason.  If people truly want to
assist in the development of POVRay, then they will understand and respect
the reason for expiring betas.  This also allows anyone in the POV comunity
to to take part in the beta development processes.

We went throught this same kind of continual debate through the 3.5 beta
testing.  If it keeps continuing, in the future, the POV development team
may consider closing off public beta testing in the future altogether...

-tgq


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Please no beta expires on the..... anymore
Date: 16 Oct 2006 11:28:15
Message: <4533a50e@news.povray.org>
Trevor G Quayle <Tin### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> If it keeps continuing, in the future, the POV development team
> may consider closing off public beta testing in the future altogether...

  Something which would benefit no-one. Developement would be slower
(because there would be far less testers), the amount of work for the
developers would be larger, the amount of uncaught bugs in the release
version would inevitably be much higher, and the community would be unable
to participate in testing the upcoming new version.

  Thus stop complaining about the expiration date, and instead be grateful
that you can beta-test the new version and give your support for making
POV-Ray a better program. This should be a joint effort.

-- 
                                                          - Warp


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Please no beta expires on the..... anymore
Date: 16 Oct 2006 12:05:00
Message: <web.4533ad5317e0d089f1cb1e660@news.povray.org>
Mogens Kjaer <mk### [at] crcdk> wrote:
> Alain wrote:
> ...
> > And, as Warp mentioned, you don't NEED to use any beta release.
> >
>
> Maybe many - like me - don't download the betas
> and search for bugs, simply because it expires so quickly.
>
> Mogens
>
IMO Beta testing is giving back something to the community not so you can
have the latest flavour of software.


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From: Trevor G Quayle
Subject: Re: Please no beta expires on the..... anymore
Date: 16 Oct 2006 13:35:00
Message: <web.4533c23917e0d089c150d4c10@news.povray.org>
Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> Trevor G Quayle <Tin### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> > If it keeps continuing, in the future, the POV development team
> > may consider closing off public beta testing in the future altogether...
>
>   Something which would benefit no-one. Developement would be slower
> (because there would be far less testers), the amount of work for the
> developers would be larger, the amount of uncaught bugs in the release
> version would inevitably be much higher, and the community would be unable
> to participate in testing the upcoming new version.
>
>   Thus stop complaining about the expiration date, and instead be grateful
> that you can beta-test the new version and give your support for making
> POV-Ray a better program. This should be a joint effort.
>
> --
>                                                           - Warp

My point exactly.

-tgq


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