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From: John David Haiducek
Subject: Save during render
Date: 27 Nov 2001 13:16:16
Message: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111271256060.2190-100000@burpc3.engin.umich.edu>
If I try to save my source while POV is rendering, POV shows an hourglass
cursor and stays that way for a long time. Saving while POV is not
rendering is nearly instantaneous, and if I put my file on the local hard
drive POV does not even display an hourglass cursor.

My files are all on a server using the AFS filesystem. From what I've
heard, the Windows machines on the network use some sort of emulator to
access the AFS space. I do not have administrative priveleges, but I would
not expect that to cause this kind of problem.

The computers I'm using are Dells with 1400 MHz Pentium 4 processors,
Windows 2000, 256 MB RAM.

John Haiducek


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From: Christoph Hormann
Subject: Re: Save during render
Date: 27 Nov 2001 14:04:22
Message: <3C03E3AD.3480E308@gmx.de>
John David Haiducek wrote:
> 
> If I try to save my source while POV is rendering, POV shows an hourglass
> cursor and stays that way for a long time. Saving while POV is not
> rendering is nearly instantaneous, and if I put my file on the local hard
> drive POV does not even display an hourglass cursor.
> 
> My files are all on a server using the AFS filesystem. From what I've
> heard, the Windows machines on the network use some sort of emulator to
> access the AFS space. I do not have administrative priveleges, but I would
> not expect that to cause this kind of problem.
> 

I experienced exactly the same here with Windows NT on VMWare when saving
to some drive on the host via smb/samba.

Christoph

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From: Thorsten Froehlich
Subject: Re: Save during render
Date: 27 Nov 2001 15:41:38
Message: <3c03fa82@news.povray.org>
In article <Pin### [at] burpc3enginumichedu>
, John David Haiducek <jha### [at] enginumichedu>  wrote:

> If I try to save my source while POV is rendering, POV shows an hourglass
> cursor and stays that way for a long time.

Well, if it doesn't crash or block, what is wrong with it?  If the OS
network service doesn't have a high enough priority it will take longer
until it has processed what it is told to process.  Changing the process
priority for POV-Ray will most likely eliminate this slowdown.

    Thorsten


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From: John David Haiducek
Subject: Re: Save during render
Date: 27 Nov 2001 15:45:26
Message: <Pine.SOL.4.33.0111271543160.18930-100000@azure.engin.umich.edu>
I agree that it's not a big deal. I can always stop my render before
saving. If there's a solution, though, it would be nice to have it fixed.

John Haiducek

On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Thorsten Froehlich wrote:

> In article <Pin### [at] burpc3enginumichedu>
> , John David Haiducek <jha### [at] enginumichedu>  wrote:
>
> > If I try to save my source while POV is rendering, POV shows an hourglass
> > cursor and stays that way for a long time.
>
> Well, if it doesn't crash or block, what is wrong with it?  If the OS
> network service doesn't have a high enough priority it will take longer
> until it has processed what it is told to process.  Changing the process
> priority for POV-Ray will most likely eliminate this slowdown.
>
>     Thorsten
>


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From: Thorsten Froehlich
Subject: Re: Save during render
Date: 27 Nov 2001 16:19:05
Message: <3c040349$1@news.povray.org>
In article <Pin### [at] azureenginumichedu>
, John David Haiducek <jha### [at] enginumichedu>  wrote:

> it would be nice to have it fixed.

Yes, complain to the the manufacturer of the operating system and ask them
to give their network services a higher priority.  The slowdown comes from
the operating system :-(  There is no code in POV-Ray to intentionally slow
down saving files to remote disks if it is rendering ;-)

    Thorsten


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From: Christoph Hormann
Subject: Re: Save during render
Date: 27 Nov 2001 16:25:38
Message: <3C0404D2.912F3DCE@gmx.de>
Thorsten Froehlich wrote:
> 
> Well, if it doesn't crash or block, what is wrong with it?  If the OS
> network service doesn't have a high enough priority it will take longer
> until it has processed what it is told to process.  Changing the process
> priority for POV-Ray will most likely eliminate this slowdown.
> 

I don't think so, the Program should not be blocked even if saving takes
some time, changing the priority does not seem to have any influence BTW.

Christoph

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From: Thorsten Froehlich
Subject: Re: Save during render
Date: 27 Nov 2001 17:16:28
Message: <3c0410bc@news.povray.org>
In article <3C0404D2.912F3DCE@gmx.de> , Christoph Hormann 
<chr### [at] gmxde>  wrote:

> I don't think so, the Program should not be blocked even if saving takes
> some time, changing the priority does not seem to have any influence BTW.

Well, like in all (even DOS!) operating systems a program does not see a
difference between a remote or local volume.  It is completely transparent
and everything is handled by the operating system.  So the program can do
nothing about network speed or handling of network transactions - it doesn't
even know it is a remote volume!

    Thorsten

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From: Christoph Hormann
Subject: Re: Save during render
Date: 27 Nov 2001 17:36:45
Message: <3C04157A.FD09635C@gmx.de>
Thorsten Froehlich wrote:
> 
> Well, like in all (even DOS!) operating systems a program does not see a
> difference between a remote or local volume.  It is completely transparent
> and everything is handled by the operating system.  So the program can do
> nothing about network speed or handling of network transactions - it doesn't
> even know it is a remote volume!
> 

Of course, but IMO the program should not be blocked when saving on any
volume.  I'm quite sure this is possible.

Christoph

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Christoph Hormann <chr### [at] gmxde>
IsoWood include, radiosity tutorial, TransSkin and other 
things on: http://www.schunter.etc.tu-bs.de/~chris/


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From: Thorsten Froehlich
Subject: Re: Save during render
Date: 27 Nov 2001 19:05:20
Message: <3c042a40@news.povray.org>
In article <3C04157A.FD09635C@gmx.de> , Christoph Hormann 
<chr### [at] gmxde>  wrote:

> Of course, but IMO the program should not be blocked when saving on any
> volume.  I'm quite sure this is possible.

I am not aware of _any_ program that would not block.  Do you have an
example of any such program either commercial or free?

    Thorsten


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From: Christoph Hormann
Subject: Re: Save during render
Date: 28 Nov 2001 05:01:19
Message: <3C04B5EE.C9E63398@gmx.de>
Thorsten Froehlich wrote:
> 
> I am not aware of _any_ program that would not block.  Do you have an
> example of any such program either commercial or free?
> 

I realize it's probably a bit problematic, because the user could change
the file after initiating saving.  Anyway, at least the autosave function
should work in background, i think quite a lot of apps work this way.

Christoph

-- 
Christoph Hormann <chr### [at] gmxde>
IsoWood include, radiosity tutorial, TransSkin and other 
things on: http://www.schunter.etc.tu-bs.de/~chris/


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