As reported in povray.general, all pages using the new
layout for www.povray.org appear to be broken in Netscape
running on Solaris.  They look fine in Mozilla, though.

The attached image is a screenshot showing the problem:
the circle and the text on the side of the page are broken.

Sorry if this is a bit off-topic for this group, but there
does not seem to be a more appropriate group for posting
that kind of binaries.

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Preview of image 'www_povray_org.png'

I think that the pov-team has quite little chances of fixing a bug
in Netscape 4. Send the bug report to netscape.com instead.

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Warp wrote:
>   I think that the pov-team has quite little chances of fixing a bug
> in Netscape 4. Send the bug report to netscape.com instead.

I have given up supporting it (all sites I do from now on will be xhtml
based), I will check to ensure everything is fully functional, and perhaps
tweak any style sheets to make the most of a bad situation but no way am I
spending hours hacking a site to bits just to get NS4.x to look perfect


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On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:51:25 +0100, "Rick [Kitty5]" <ric### [at] kitty5com>
wrote:

>Warp wrote:
>>   I think that the pov-team has quite little chances of fixing a bug
>> in Netscape 4. Send the bug report to netscape.com instead.
>
>I have given up supporting it (all sites I do from now on will be xhtml
>based), I will check to ensure everything is fully functional, and perhaps
>tweak any style sheets to make the most of a bad situation but no way am I
>spending hours hacking a site to bits just to get NS4.x to look perfect

For what it's worth, Netscape 4.7 on the Windows OS renders the page
mentioned in this thread without a problem on my computer. Perhaps it
might even be some glitch in some graphics library or "toolkit"
peculiar to Solaris?

At any rate, I would tend to agree that it is nearly impossible to
make a classy-looking website that will render as planned in EVERY
browser that a person might want to use. At least this person could
view the POV-Ray website. I've seen a few websites that were totally
non-functional with certain mainstream browsers. There's no excuse for
something like that, but the POV site has nothing in common with a
site like that.



Later,
Glen

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> I have given up supporting it ... no way am
> I spending hours hacking a site to bits just
> to get NS4.x to look perfect

Amen to that, brother...

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Glen Berry wrote:
> At any rate, I would tend to agree that it is nearly impossible to
> make a classy-looking website that will render as planned in EVERY
> browser that a person might want to use.

if your prepared to throw standards out the window and sometimes do browser
specific style sheets, you can get it looking 99% identical in all the top
browsers (inc NC4.7)

older browser require you to develop specific versions (html 3.2 and below)
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> if your prepared to throw standards out the window and sometimes do
browser
> specific style sheets, you can get it looking 99% identical in all the top
> browsers (inc NC4.7)


To look identical, yes, you may have to do that.

But if all you want is for a page to "work" in every browser, standards are
the way to go. Take www.webstandards.org for instance. *Because* it uses
valid markup and CSS, its content is accessable in all browsers. Including
Mozilla, IE, NN4.x, Opera, Lynx, Palm Pilot browsers, screen readers, you
name it. A couple of browsers do have some CSS bugs that cause the menu to
be displayed off the screen (this is caused by the fact that the browser
meets the standard halfway; it would be better to ignore the CSS than to
interpret it incorrectly). But if you're going for 99% of the population to
be able to see your site, standards are what you want to use.

Of course, the page won't look identical in every browser. But what's more
important - the visual apperance of the page or the content on it? The site
will look *decent* in most browsers. In all browsers, the content will be
accessable.

Another benefit is that the site is more accessable to handicapped users,
such as someone using a screen reader or something of the sort.

 - Slime
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Warp wrote in message <3d2b6d06@news.povray.org>...
>  I think that the pov-team has quite little chances of fixing a bug
>in Netscape 4. Send the bug report to netscape.com instead.

I've duplicated it with Netscape 4.72 under IRIX.  It appears to be caused
by the fact that the "search" button is about twice as tall under the window
managers those OSs use as it is under Windows/MacOS/etc.

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Slime wrote:
[snip...]

exactly why I am sticking to XHTML 1.0 strict from now on (and meeting
triple A accessability standards :)


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> exactly why I am sticking to XHTML 1.0 strict from now on (and meeting
> triple A accessability standards :)

Wowee, that's impressive. I use XHTML 1.0 strict, but haven't even read the
specs for AAA standards =)

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