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Am 20.06.2010 01:29, schrieb SharkD:
> If you search for tasks by SharkD at the bug tracker you'll see a bunch
> of feature request I've made.
>
> http://bugs.povray.org/
I'd like to encourage everyone to have a look there (not only on Shark's
requests of course), and /vote/ on the features you like to see most.
It's easier to track than sifting through newsgroup postings.
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Am 20.06.2010 12:33, schrieb SharkD:
>> Well, still Christoph Lipka had to close it because you never said so.
>> The logical assumption here then is that given Grimbert J�r�me (Le
>> Forgeron) provided a solution with existing SDL that the issue was
>> resolved.
>
> Grimbert was not suggesting a solution using SDL, he was suggesting a
> /course of action/ on how the feature should be implemented by devs!
I don't think so...
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Am 20.06.2010 11:14, schrieb SharkD:
> As for setting/overriding metrics, even an HTML coder can override
> things like x height using things like font-size-adjust and font-stretch.
You're forgetting that HTML browsers' main job is to display text.
POV-Ray's main job is to render 3D images, which /occasionally/ may
include text. Please understand that POV-Ray can therefore not
double-act as a desktop publishing software.
But I do agree that a proper way to /get/ font metrics is a prerequisite
to implement macros providing higher-level text layout capability.
As for font-size-adjust, this can easily achieved in POV-Ray by relative
scaling; as for font-stretch, this can either be achieved by non-uniform
scaling (e.g. faux condensed or faux expanded), or by choosing the
appropriate font file (condensed or expanded font face, i.e. with
individually designed glyphs).
>>> Ability to change the order of editor tabs by dragging them
>>
>> This is Windows only, I suppose.
>
> Why is that? Are Linux users too primitive to benefit from this feature?
Well, /POV-Ray for Linux/ is "too primitive" for users to benefit from
the feature, because it doesn't come with a GUI at all.
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Am 20.06.2010 15:21, schrieb StephenS:
>> Subdivision support
> ....
> I like this, but is it natively thread safe? I very much like to see smp POV-Ray
> released, and then add more features that need development time to work with
> multi-threads.
There's still a difference between rejecting a feature request (which to
me reads, "never going to happen"), and just keeping it unimplemented
for now.
I think at present /all/ feature requests must be expected to be
postponed until SMP POV-Ray (aka 3.7 final release) is out of the door,
and any exception to this is just... well, an exception. So I see no
reason to close feature requests on a "won't implement in 3.7" basis.
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On 6/20/2010 11:03 AM, clipka wrote:
> As for font-size-adjust, this can easily achieved in POV-Ray by relative
> scaling; as for font-stretch, this can either be achieved by non-uniform
> scaling (e.g. faux condensed or faux expanded), or by choosing the
> appropriate font file (condensed or expanded font face, i.e. with
> individually designed glyphs).
You're mistaken. font-size-adjust tweaks fonts in ways we can't do in
Povray without knowing font metrics - specifically the font's x height.
--
http://isometricland.com
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On 6/20/2010 10:35 AM, clipka wrote:
> Am 20.06.2010 01:29, schrieb SharkD:
>> If you search for tasks by SharkD at the bug tracker you'll see a bunch
>> of feature request I've made.
>>
>> http://bugs.povray.org/
>
> I'd like to encourage everyone to have a look there (not only on Shark's
> requests of course), and /vote/ on the features you like to see most.
> It's easier to track than sifting through newsgroup postings.
Visitors will specifically have to search for closed feature requests,
as otherwise they won't see all of them.
--
http://isometricland.com
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On 6/20/2010 5:44 AM, Thorsten Froehlich wrote:
>> "Clever use" means tedious work that gets repeated by users over and
>> over and over again. If it's so good then the devs can be "clever"
>> enough to add the feature.
>
> Well, I would be all for someone contributing a set of macros for the
> POV-Ray 3.7 include file collection to avoid any repetition.
OK, so it can be resolved with a set of macros. Is there any point of
keeping the feature request closed then?
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On 6/20/2010 7:21 AM, Thorsten Froehlich wrote:
> If you flood the bug reporter with one-line feature requests, you cannot
> expect more than one-line responses. Don't expect people to worm all
> information out of you. Reports should be as complete and coherent as
> possible. This is the minimum courtesy you have to pay to those reading
> your ideas: In short, you want others to do something for you that they
> have no obligation to do for you. The best way to reach that goal is
> showing that you respect their valuable time. You expected the opposite.
>
> Thorsten
Look, I made most of my feature requests within the span of a week after
having been *told* to go there under the assumption that there would be
discussion, and you closed them within the span of a day with little or
no discussion. If there was a problem with request descriptions being
too short you could have just said so. And I don't see much evidence
that *other* people besides you had much difficulty understanding them.
--
http://isometricland.com
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Am 20.06.2010 18:22, schrieb SharkD:
> On 6/20/2010 11:03 AM, clipka wrote:
>> As for font-size-adjust, this can easily achieved in POV-Ray by relative
>> scaling; as for font-stretch, this can either be achieved by non-uniform
>> scaling (e.g. faux condensed or faux expanded), or by choosing the
>> appropriate font file (condensed or expanded font face, i.e. with
>> individually designed glyphs).
>
> You're mistaken. font-size-adjust tweaks fonts in ways we can't do in
> Povray without knowing font metrics - specifically the font's x height.
That's exactly why I did concede that - quote - "a proper way to /get/
font metrics is a prerequisite to implement macros providing
higher-level text layout capability."
And it's also a great example of why the actual layout functionality
doesn't belong inside POV-Ray: Hey, I'm a 3D enthusiast, not a font
expert. All I know is that font-size-adjust uniformly scales the font,
so to me it's essentially a scaling operation, and I don't bother where
the factor comes from.
Leave 3D magic to the 3D geeks & POV-Ray developers, and font magic to
the font geeks & SDL macro programmers.
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Am 20.06.2010 18:24, schrieb SharkD:
>> I'd like to encourage everyone to have a look there (not only on Shark's
>> requests of course), and /vote/ on the features you like to see most.
>> It's easier to track than sifting through newsgroup postings.
>
> Visitors will specifically have to search for closed feature requests,
> as otherwise they won't see all of them.
... and of course they won't be able to vote on them, yes. Such is life.
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