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From: Robert Jefferson
Subject: underwater
Date: 15 May 2000 19:35:49
Message: <392089d5@news.povray.org>
ok, how to make a pov look like it si underwater

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From: Chris Huff
Subject: Re: underwater
Date: 15 May 2000 21:36:25
Message: <chrishuff_99-E293CE.20395515052000@news.povray.org>
In article <392089d5@news.povray.org>, "Robert Jefferson" 
<bob### [at] mindspringcom> wrote:

> ok, how to make a pov look like it si underwater

You are going to need to provide more information, that isn't anywhere 
near enough to give a meaningful response...what kind of underwater 
effect do you want? Murky water? Fading to a blue-green in the distance? 
A rippling surface above?

Also, you may want to start your sentences with a capital letter, and 
end questions with a "?"(shift-/ on most keyboards). Also check your 
spelling at least once. If you do these things, it makes it a lot easier 
on others who read your message and who may want to reply, and it only 
takes a little bit more effort on your part.

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From: kane
Subject: Re: underwater
Date: 16 May 2000 00:30:05
Message: <3920cecd@news.povray.org>
Chris Huff <chr### [at] yahoocom> wrote in message
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> Also, you may want to start your sentences with a capital letter, and
> end questions with a "?"(shift-/ on most keyboards). Also check your
> spelling at least once. If you do these things, it makes it a lot easier
> on others who read your message and who may want to reply, and it only
> takes a little bit more effort on your part.

    I don't think it's necessary to critisize and nit-pic on every little
thing, especially spelling and grammer. This forum is here to help them with
povray and raytracing, not english and the use there-of.


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From: Peter Popov
Subject: Re: underwater
Date: 16 May 2000 01:44:35
Message: <5un1is48hqn5275vpvnivo99u0ab7u2h3k@4ax.com>
On Mon, 15 May 2000 20:39:55 -0500, Chris Huff
<chr### [at] yahoocom> wrote:

>> ok, how to make a pov look like it si underwater

>You are going to need to provide more information, that isn't anywhere 
>near enough to give a meaningful response...what kind of underwater 
>effect do you want? Murky water? Fading to a blue-green in the distance? 
>A rippling surface above?

I'd have to agree here because the possible approaches could be
somewhat different.

>Also, you may want to start your sentences with a capital letter, and 
>end questions with a "?"(shift-/ on most keyboards). Also check your 
>spelling at least once. If you do these things, it makes it a lot easier 
>on others who read your message and who may want to reply, and it only 
>takes a little bit more effort on your part.

Chris, give Robert a break! Or have you never been on IRC or ICQ? :)


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From: Bob Hughes
Subject: Re: underwater
Date: 16 May 2000 03:51:54
Message: <3920fe1a@news.povray.org>
This kind of question probably doesn't warrant being in this group,
but since you asked....
I'd say use fog because it will provide a colored opacity with distance.
I'll put an example scene at povray.text.scene-files.

Bob

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From: Chris Huff
Subject: Re: underwater
Date: 16 May 2000 07:59:02
Message: <chrishuff_99-25701F.07023216052000@news.povray.org>
In article <5un1is48hqn5275vpvnivo99u0ab7u2h3k@4ax.com>, Peter Popov 
<pet### [at] usanet> wrote:

> Chris, give Robert a break! Or have you never been on IRC or ICQ? :)

Sorry for being nit-picky...
I have been on IRC...but this isn't IRC. You have time to make some 
minimal spelling/punctuation checks on newsgroups. It makes it easier 
for you to be understood, is a bit more polite, and makes you look a bit 
more intelligent(IMHO).
Also notice I did not mention the grammar. That looked like something 
possibly due to not having English as a native language, while the 
punctuation and typos looked like laziness.
Anyway, wouldn't this be better in .off-topic if it is going to continue?

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From: Chris S 
Subject: Re: underwater
Date: 16 May 2000 15:24:41
Message: <3921a079@news.povray.org>
> I don't think it's necessary to critisize and nit-pic on every little
> thing, especially spelling and grammer. This forum is here to help them
with
> povray and raytracing, not english and the use there-of.

This is true, but the forum can't help anyone if readers can't understand
one another.  I try to be as clear and precise as possible when I ask a
question, especially when I want a response;)  For me spell-checking is
simply hitting F7.  However, it sounded to me as if Chris was merely
mentioning a few pointers to someone who may be new and/or have English as a
second language.

-Chris-


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From: Margus Ramst
Subject: Re: underwater
Date: 16 May 2000 15:51:07
Message: <392198D5.BE17863E@peak.edu.ee>
Robert Jefferson wrote:
> 
> ok, how to make a pov look like it si underwater
> 

In general, you should use green / blue fog or media to give the depth cue,
perhaps add a normal statement to the camera. Other than that, you'd have to be
a bit more specific as to what you want.

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From: Peter Popov
Subject: Re: underwater
Date: 16 May 2000 17:01:08
Message: <rfd3is4bkv2ms59a1fgaiakacu2hq7rvkt@4ax.com>
On Tue, 16 May 2000 21:52:05 +0300, Margus Ramst <mar### [at] peakeduee>
wrote:

>Robert Jefferson wrote:
>> 
>> ok, how to make a pov look like it si underwater
>> 
>In general, you should use green / blue fog or media to give the depth cue,
>perhaps add a normal statement to the camera. Other than that, you'd have to be
>a bit more specific as to what you want.

And if you are shooting at a shallow water scene, you could use a
plane with a normal and some caustics (either faked or using photons
in MegaPOV) to model the water surface and the sunbeams.


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From: Robert Jefferson
Subject: Re: underwater
Date: 16 May 2000 18:04:58
Message: <3921c60a@news.povray.org>
First, sorry about the grammar.
Second, I have not seen to many scenes underwater and was wondering how it
was done.

Actually I would like to do a scene half underwater and half above water.
It would be of a child fishing with a pole go into the water from a boat or
a pier.
Under his boat/pier is a normal size fish which is also about to be eaten by
a model I have of Nessy.

I think it would be fun to do.

See my scene of the unicorn in the appropiate group.

Lastly i have 2 masters degree so please dont insult my intelligence.

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> ok, how to make a pov look like it si underwater
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