Hi Lawrence W, you recently wrote in moray.win:

> I'm frustrated.  All I want is for Moray 3.5 to output code that'll operate
> within spec for Povray 3.7.  I simply can't get enough of Moray, and to
> actually see the speed differences between Povray3.5 and the
> multi-processor/core aware Povray3.7 is like touching a god's soul.  ...
> Okay, imagery aside, I'm just so pissed from trying to get Moray3.5 to
> output code without the silly parse errors springing up like crickets in
> the night.  *sigh*
> 
> That's all I have to say.  Better output to Povray.  Obvious, but I wanted
> to say it.

I understand the frustrations expressed by the posters in this thread,
I am not oblivious to them. And it pains me to have had Moray come to
a standstill too....

I still did not see any specific problems listed that POV-Ray 3.7 has
with the output from Moray V3.5. Unfortunately, I haven't kept up with
POV-Ray development, but are POV-Ray V3.7 scene files not compatible
with POV-Ray V3.5 scene files?

- Lutz
- Lutz
  email : lut### [at] stmuccom
  Web   : http://www.stmuc.com/moray

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"Stephen" <mcavoysATaolDOTcom@> schreef in bericht 
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>
> I've not used a mesh modeller for ages, relying on csg mostly. Although I 
> do
> have a need for one to modify some Poser clothes.

Have you considered the Cloth Designer add-ons by PhilC, for Poser? Not free 
stuff unfortunately but not too expensive either. I have decided to buy it a 
little time ago but have not had yet time to really experiment with it. 
looks promising however.

>
>>Bisho3D looks interesting. I have not experimented with it, though.
>
> It is interesting and I think that it will be quite useful when it's 
> finished.
> I've lost my muse so I've got time to test, it not needing to worry about 
> having
> a project to complete. I've nearly finished a model (a prop) of the London 
> Eye.
> It has a different feel to Moray even though the layout looks similar. 
> Besides
> being able to import a lot of SDL and allowing you to write SDL to be 
> merged
> with the scene as objects or textures. I like the animation feature where 
> I
> could not get to grips with Moray's.
>
I shall keep an eye on that certainly. Something for later. I have too much 
to start up and get into presently, and a number of projects I want to 
complete.

Thomas

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"Lutz Kretzschmar" <lut### [at] stmuccom> schreef in bericht 
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>
> I understand the frustrations expressed by the posters in this thread,
> I am not oblivious to them. And it pains me to have had Moray come to
> a standstill too....
>
> I still did not see any specific problems listed that POV-Ray 3.7 has
> with the output from Moray V3.5. Unfortunately, I haven't kept up with
> POV-Ray development, but are POV-Ray V3.7 scene files not compatible
> with POV-Ray V3.5 scene files?
>

Hi Lutz! Good to hear from you!

As far as I am aware of, there are no major compatibility issues as far as 
scene files are concerned. My (older) scenes seem to run successfully under 
V3.7. The main issue most people are complaining about is the impossibility 
to run Moray trouble free with V3.6, and eventually with V3.7, especially 
for the gain of render time when using a dual core machine.

Hope all is well with you?
And.... may we have a little hope about future Moray updates?  :-)

Thomas

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"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlDOTnet> wrote:
> "Stephen" <mcavoysATaolDOTcom@> schreef in bericht
> news:iacqq2hrdh1gbd29ie4ggmgs2da1qkogr0@4ax.com...
> >
> > I've not used a mesh modeller for ages, relying on csg mostly. Although I
> > do
> > have a need for one to modify some Poser clothes.
>
> Have you considered the Cloth Designer add-ons by PhilC, for Poser? Not free
> stuff unfortunately but not too expensive either. I have decided to buy it a
> little time ago but have not had yet time to really experiment with it.
> looks promising however.



wee FREE man :-)


> >
> >>Bisho3D looks interesting. I have not experimented with it, though.
> >
> > It is interesting and I think that it will be quite useful when it's
> > finished.
> > I've lost my muse so I've got time to test, it not needing to worry about
> > having
> > a project to complete. I've nearly finished a model (a prop) of the London
> > Eye.
> > It has a different feel to Moray even though the layout looks similar.
> > Besides
> > being able to import a lot of SDL and allowing you to write SDL to be
> > merged
> > with the scene as objects or textures. I like the animation feature where
> > I
> > could not get to grips with Moray's.
> >
> I shall keep an eye on that certainly. Something for later. I have too much
> to start up and get into presently, and a number of projects I want to
> complete.
>
I understand, there is little chance of getting projects completed during
testing.

Stephen

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"Stephen" <mcavoys_AT_aolDOT.com> schreef in bericht 
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>
> I had a quick look yesterday after your post. It looked attractive but I'm 
> a
> bit wary of paying for things over the Internet. (Not to mention that I'm 
> a
> wee FREE man :-)
> You have raised my interest and I'll give it a more thorough look.
>
Yes, I am a bit wary too. However, I must say that I have never had a 
problem so far, over the years.

>>
> I understand, there is little chance of getting projects completed during
> testing.
>
<g> difficult to do several things at the same time... :-)

Thomas

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"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlDOTnet> wrote:
> "Stephen" <mcavoys_AT_aolDOT.com> schreef in bericht
> news:web.45adf3cb27a5e584f1cb1e660@news.povray.org...
> >
> > I had a quick look yesterday after your post. It looked attractive but I'm
> > a
> > bit wary of paying for things over the Internet. (Not to mention that I'm
> > a
> > wee FREE man :-)
> > You have raised my interest and I'll give it a more thorough look.
> >
> Yes, I am a bit wary too. However, I must say that I have never had a
> problem so far, over the years.
>

Nor have I but maybe that is because I only buy from recognised shops and
organisations (Moray was an exception).

> >>
> > I understand, there is little chance of getting projects completed during
> > testing.
> >
> <g> difficult to do several things at the same time... :-)
>

I need a dual brain head :-)

Stephen

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"Stephen" <mcavoys_AT_aolDOT.com> schreef in bericht 
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>
> I need a dual brain head :-)
>
You have already! Two hemispheres, remember? :-)

Thomas

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"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlDOTnet> wrote:
> "Stephen" <mcavoys_AT_aolDOT.com> schreef in bericht
> news:web.45ae362b27a5e584f1cb1e660@news.povray.org...
> >
> > I need a dual brain head :-)
> >
> You have already! Two hemispheres, remember? :-)
>
> Thomas


software (wetware) from my hindbrain.

Stephen

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"Stephen" <mcavoys_AT_aolDOT.com> schreef in bericht 
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>
> What do you know? I've just been upgraded. Too bad I'm still using the
> software (wetware) from my hindbrain.
>

Aah! That explains it! You need a new wifi connection! Then all three brains 
will communicate!!

Thomas

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Lutz Kretzschmar <lut### [at] stmuccom> wrote:
> Hi Lawrence W, you recently wrote in moray.win:
>
> > I'm frustrated.  All I want is for Moray 3.5 to output code that'll operate
> > within spec for Povray 3.7.  I simply can't get enough of Moray, and to
> > actually see the speed differences between Povray3.5 and the
> > multi-processor/core aware Povray3.7 is like touching a god's soul.  ...
> > Okay, imagery aside, I'm just so pissed from trying to get Moray3.5 to
> > output code without the silly parse errors springing up like crickets in
> > the night.  *sigh*
> >
> > That's all I have to say.  Better output to Povray.  Obvious, but I wanted
> > to say it.
>
> I understand the frustrations expressed by the posters in this thread,
> I am not oblivious to them. And it pains me to have had Moray come to
> a standstill too....
>
> I still did not see any specific problems listed that POV-Ray 3.7 has
> with the output from Moray V3.5. Unfortunately, I haven't kept up with
> POV-Ray development, but are POV-Ray V3.7 scene files not compatible
> with POV-Ray V3.5 scene files?
>
> - Lutz
> - Lutz
>   email : lut### [at] stmuccom
>   Web   : http://www.stmuc.com/moray

Lutz,

I'm glad I caught your attention.  I swear, I should just e-mail you
directly... Anyway, my issue is with the POVTXTR2.INI file that gets
created when rendering to POV-Ray.  I've had two specific problems parsing
that file from within POV-Ray 3.6/3.7: radiosity keyword and (I think) a
buffer keyword.  I could be off; I'll have to check my records, but either
way there are parsing errors and are generated any time I try to render a
scene from Moray.  I can get around them if I modify the POVTXTR2.INI file
outside of Moray, but then that defeats the purpose, and besides, as soon
as I work on the mdl again, the problem pops up.

If that's not clear, let me know and I'll reinstall POV-Ray 3.7 and post the
exact messages.  Thanks a bunch, seriously.

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