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From: Arne Kleinophorst
Subject: Moray Registration Key
Date: 18 Sep 2007 14:02:39
Message: <46efda7f$1@news.povray.org>
Have a look at

http://www.stmuc.com/moray/meregi.html


Regards
Arne


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From: Txemi Jendrix
Subject: Re: Moray Registration Key
Date: 28 Sep 2007 01:30:00
Message: <web.46fc582846e00faab25751830@news.povray.org>
Arne Kleinophorst <kleinophorst [at] spamdebitelnet> wrote:
> Have a look at
>
> http://www.stmuc.com/moray/meregi.html
>
>
> Regards
> Arne

Nice it has turned freeware, now if Lutz could make it work with povray 3.6,
I could use it with Vista.

this goes to povray.news-submissions

Congrats to all the 3d fans.

Txemi Jendrix
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From: Tim Cook
Subject: Re: Moray Registration Key
Date: 28 Sep 2007 02:51:42
Message: <46fc6c3e$1@news.povray.org>
Txemi Jendrix wrote:
> Arne Kleinophorst <kleinophorst [at] spamdebitelnet> wrote:
>> Have a look at
>>
>> http://www.stmuc.com/moray/meregi.html
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Arne
> 
> Nice it has turned freeware, now if Lutz could make it work with povray 3.6,
> I could use it with Vista.

Only if you turn off Aero, which doesn't like the OpenGL display.  :3

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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Moray Registration Key
Date: 28 Sep 2007 03:41:42
Message: <46fc77f6$1@news.povray.org>
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:26:00 -0400, Txemi Jendrix wrote:

> Nice it has turned freeware, now if Lutz could make it work with povray
> 3.6, I could use it with Vista.

Don't think Lutz is going to be doing that; seems that that was part of 
the reason for signing the rights over to the POV-Ray team, unless I'm 
very much mistaken....

Jim


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From: Patrick Elliott
Subject: Re: Moray Registration Key
Date: 28 Sep 2007 05:45:37
Message: <MPG.216642c844503c0b98a02d@news.povray.org>
In article <46fc6c3e$1@news.povray.org>, z993126 [at] bellsouthnet says...
> Txemi Jendrix wrote:
> > Arne Kleinophorst <kleinophorst [at] spamdebitelnet> wrote:
> >> Have a look at
> >>
> >> http://www.stmuc.com/moray/meregi.html
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Arne
> > 
> > Nice it has turned freeware, now if Lutz could make it work with povray
 3.6,
> > I could use it with Vista.
> 
> Only if you turn off Aero, which doesn't like the OpenGL display.  :3
> 
> 
Oh good, yet another reason to not want to use it. Like sound working 
differently so "all" DirectSound using games breaking, DRM being 
embedded, which can, in some cases, screw up the sound from "non-
approved" hardware, and a whole list of other BS things. lol Sorry, but 
god lights (fake media rays from light passing through canopies) and 
slightly better graphics in "some" games is enough for me to give enough 
of a frack about DirectX 10 to bother.

What is the point of making an OS that only *just* avoids making 
everything stop working on it anyway? Just wondering. lol

-- 
void main () {
  If Schrödingers_cat is alive  
    call functional_code()
  else
    call crash_windows();
}

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From: M a r c
Subject: Re: Moray Registration Key
Date: 28 Sep 2007 06:39:20
Message: <46fca198$1@news.povray.org>
"Txemi Jendrix" <nomail@nomail> a écrit dans le message de news: 
web.46fc582846e00faab25751830@news.povray.org...
>
> Nice it has turned freeware, now if Lutz could make it work with povray 
> 3.6,
> I could use it with Vista.
>
Lutz stopped developping Moray.
http://www.stmuc.com/moray/menews.html

On which planet were you gone? ;-)

Marc


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Moray Registration Key
Date: 28 Sep 2007 06:45:16
Message: <46fca2fc@news.povray.org>
"Txemi Jendrix" <nomail@nomail> schreef in bericht 
news:web.46fc582846e00faab25751830@news.povray.org...
>
> Nice it has turned freeware, now if Lutz could make it work with povray 
> 3.6,
> I could use it with Vista.
>

I am afraid, Txemi,  that you/we will have to wait until POV-Ray 4.0 is out, 
not before  :-(
See the thread 'Status of Moray?' in povray.general.

Thomas


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Moray Registration Key
Date: 28 Sep 2007 10:06:22
Message: <46fcd21d@news.povray.org>
Patrick Elliott <selliot [at] rraznet> wrote:
> Oh good, yet another reason to not want to use it. Like sound working 
> differently so "all" DirectSound using games breaking, DRM being 
> embedded, which can, in some cases, screw up the sound from "non-
> approved" hardware, and a whole list of other BS things.

  Also many older hardware has stopped working in Vista because Vista
has no support them (even though XP has, go figure) and the hardware is
too old for the manufacturers to bother upgrading the drivers to Vista.

  This list was amusing:

http://mindprod.com/jgloss/vista.html

  A few highlights:

"It will no longer run my Olympus digital camera or my Labtek Web cam."

"Microsoft Visual C++, TopStyle, TweakDUN, Opera and the free version
of PGP no longer work. The camera snap feature of Paint Shop Pro no
longer works. Visual Slick Edit(r) no longer lets you drag and drop
tool bars."

"It no longer supports WinHelp format. This was done to ensure older
programs would stop working."

"When you boot for the first time, it just sits there for about 20
minutes, looking for all the world like it is in a loop. It issues no
progress messages of any kind. Further it reboots several times
without telling you what it is up to. You can easily imagine it not
working properly."

"Vista has no index of file names, just contents of some of the files.
So when you ask it to search for a directory or file, it starts at the
beginning of disk C: and linearly searches all the disks."

"The recycle bin has a delete option. You would think this means
discard the files in the recycle bin, but instead it deletes the
recycle bin itself, without warning, something you would almost never
want to do."

"Deleting files is painfully slow, reminiscent of the top speed on an
old DOS 5½ floppy disk."

> What is the point of making an OS that only *just* avoids making 
> everything stop working on it anyway? Just wondering. lol

  Strenghten the dependency of hardware manufacturers on Microsoft.

  Microsoft has already demonstrated how incredibly powerful they are
and how dependent hardware manufacturers are on them when they released
the requirement specs for certain hardware to work properly in Vista
(most prominently display hardware), and the hardware manufacturers
have had no other option than to submit and to spend money and resources
in creating compatible hardware.

  I think there's something very wrong when one single company can
dictate what a myriad of other companies must do, lest they make a
financial suicide. That sounds illegal. Monopoly laws anyone?

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Txemi Jendrix
Subject: Re: Moray Registration Key
Date: 28 Sep 2007 13:15:01
Message: <web.46fcfd5246e00faaa0e392240@news.povray.org>
Tim Cook <z993126 [at] bellsouthnet> wrote:

> Only if you turn off Aero, which doesn't like the OpenGL display.  :3

I can run Moray in Vista, that's not the problem. The problem is that I
cannot run povray 3.5 in Vista so I can't render directly from Moray and I
can't use the material editor. Of course, I can export the pov file, open
it in povray (3.6 or 3.7) and render the file, but that's not the point, I
think.

Actually I don't use Vista but XP. My girlfriend has Vista and wanted to
learn to work with Moray.

Anyway, does anybody know if it runs with the current version of WINE? I
tried it in the past, but the only solution I found was to run windows
inside Linux with QEMU.

Regards

> --
> Tim Cook
> http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-empyrean
>
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> Version: 3.12
> GFA dpu- s: a?-- C++(++++) U P? L E--- W++(+++)>$
> N++ o? K- w(+) O? M-(--) V? PS+(+++) PE(--) Y(--)
> PGP-(--) t* 5++>+++++ X+ R* tv+ b++(+++) DI
> D++(---) G(++) e*>++ h+ !r--- !y--
> ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

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From: Patrick Elliott
Subject: Re: Moray Registration Key
Date: 28 Sep 2007 20:03:09
Message: <MPG.21670bbef6077fa98a02e@news.povray.org>
In article <46fcd21d@news.povray.org>, warp [at] tagpovrayorg says...
>   I think there's something very wrong when one single company can
> dictate what a myriad of other companies must do, lest they make a
> financial suicide. That sounds illegal. Monopoly laws anyone?
> 
Yeah, and the thing that pisses me off the most is that, if I wanted to 
play any of them, I can't play any DirectX 10 games without buying their 
crappy OS, at least until Linux people manage to use the open sourced 
drivers now available from ATI and nVidia to do the same stuff. MS is 
cutting their own throat this time imho, but it might take some time for 
the corpse to show signs of the real necrosis.

Oh, another good one. Telling it you want to use it in an "office" when 
installing automatically disables huge amounts of the multimedia 
components (if they even get installed at all). A lot of the "this won't 
work anymore" stuff seems to derive from people picking "this will be 
used in an office" instead of "as a home computer" when installing it.

:p

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void main () {
  If Schrödingers_cat is alive  
    call functional_code()
  else
    call crash_windows();
}

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