Folks,
I seem to be having a problem with Groups and visibility

Imagine I create a group G and within the group are objects A and B

G
---- A
---- B

I set the Group (G) to have a visibility level of '5'

If I then set the Global Visibility to less than '5', the group is hidden.
All as expected.

Now, consider this ... I want to Show the member 'A' of the group but leave
all the remaining parts hidden.  My thinking was that I could select 'A' by
itself and change its visibility to an absolute value of, say '3'.  This
should allow it to be displayed.

Unfortunately, this is not what happens.  It remains hidden.  I have a
sneaky suspicion that:

1. There is a bug in "absolute visibility"
2. I have a misunderstanding on the function

I am using Moray 3.5 Build 9330

Neil

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Have you tried working with layers?

Greets
Arne


Neil Kolban schrieb:
> Folks,
> I seem to be having a problem with Groups and visibility
> 
> Imagine I create a group G and within the group are objects A and B
> 
> G
> ---- A
> ---- B
> 
> I set the Group (G) to have a visibility level of '5'
> 
> If I then set the Global Visibility to less than '5', the group is hidden.
> All as expected.
> 
> Now, consider this ... I want to Show the member 'A' of the group but leave
> all the remaining parts hidden.  My thinking was that I could select 'A' by
> itself and change its visibility to an absolute value of, say '3'.  This
> should allow it to be displayed.
> 
> Unfortunately, this is not what happens.  It remains hidden.  I have a
> sneaky suspicion that:
> 
> 1. There is a bug in "absolute visibility"
> 2. I have a misunderstanding on the function
> 
> I am using Moray 3.5 Build 9330
> 
> Neil
> 
> 
>

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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:10:06 -0600, "Neil Kolban" <kol### [at] kolbancom>
wrote:

>1. There is a bug in "absolute visibility"
>2. I have a misunderstanding on the function

I just checked and Visibility works fine for me with the same build.
But I checked a bit further and it does seem a bit flaky. The Absolute
checkbox behaves strangely, if you check it in one object it is
displayed selected in all objects and groups. Then if you unselect it,
it is displayed un-selected in all objects and groups.
If you have a hierarchy the Absolute value seems to be taken from the
one immediately above.

If you have Global Visibility 10 and

Group1 -- Group2 -- Object 
Visibility: 10 -- 4 -- 3 
If Group2 is set to not Absolute i.e. 14. Then no mater what you do to
the Object it will not be visible. (If you know what I mean) So what
you described is confirmed. I think?
I have not used visibility very much since Layers was introduced. My
MorayStart.mdl has an invisible layer. 


Regards
        Stephen

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Arnie, Stephen,
Many thanks my friends.  I am embarrassed to say that I haven't looked at
layers (I'm such a newbie but very keen ...).  I will make that my
thanksgiving project.

Thank you guys.

Neil

"Stephen McAvoy" <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:10:06 -0600, "Neil Kolban" <kol### [at] kolbancom>
> wrote:
>
> >1. There is a bug in "absolute visibility"
> >2. I have a misunderstanding on the function
>
> I just checked and Visibility works fine for me with the same build.
> But I checked a bit further and it does seem a bit flaky. The Absolute
> checkbox behaves strangely, if you check it in one object it is
> displayed selected in all objects and groups. Then if you unselect it,
> it is displayed un-selected in all objects and groups.
> If you have a hierarchy the Absolute value seems to be taken from the
> one immediately above.
>
> If you have Global Visibility 10 and
>
> Group1 -- Group2 -- Object
> Visibility: 10 -- 4 -- 3
> If Group2 is set to not Absolute i.e. 14. Then no mater what you do to
> the Object it will not be visible. (If you know what I mean) So what
> you described is confirmed. I think?
> I have not used visibility very much since Layers was introduced. My
> MorayStart.mdl has an invisible layer.
>
>
> Regards
>         Stephen

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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:22:01 -0600, "Neil Kolban" <kol### [at] kolbancom>
wrote:

>Arnie, Stephen,
>Many thanks my friends.  I am embarrassed to say that I haven't looked at
>layers (I'm such a newbie but very keen ...).  I will make that my
>thanksgiving project.

 Layers are simple, I only use them for making things invisible or
colouring an object to make it stand out. 


Regards
        Stephen

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Do you know that you can color an object directly?
Just try the button next to the layer button in the object tab.

Arne

Stephen McAvoy schrieb:
> On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:22:01 -0600, "Neil Kolban" <kol### [at] kolbancom>
> wrote:
> 
> 
>  Layers are simple, I only use them for making things invisible or
> colouring an object to make it stand out. 
> 
> 
> Regards
>         Stephen

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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:40:30 +0100, Arne Kleinophorst
<kle### [at] spamdebitelnet> wrote:

>Do you know that you can color an object directly?
>Just try the button next to the layer button in the object tab.

No I did not know that. But I only ever use the "textured" view for
the camera and "wireframe" for the 2d views.
Thanks for the info.


Regards
        Stephen

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Hi Neil Kolban, you recently wrote in moray.win:

> I seem to be having a problem with Groups and visibility
As some others have mentioned, Layers are the preferred way of doing
that and Visibility is kind of depracated.... i.e. I probably won't be
fixing it.

- Lutz
  email : lut### [at] stmuccom
  Web   : http://www.stmuc.com/moray

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