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From: St 
Subject: Before and After and new website
Date: 1 May 2007 06:22:17
Message: <4636dc99@news.povray.org>
Hi guys

    The "Before and After" round is now over and you can view the entries 
here: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/3dextra/

      Thanks to those that took part, it's very much appreciated!

   Ok, here's the new website, it's clean and simple and everything works 
(fingers crossed!). This is now open for the first official TC-RTC Stills 
round of "The Black Robe". Please feel free to create an account and have a 
nosey around. For now, you'll find some sample images where you can try out 
the commenting and rating system, (these will all be deleted at the end of 
the week). Please let me know if you spot anything wrong. At the moment, 
there isn't a FAQ, but this will hopefully be available later, so check 
back.

  If any of you nice povers feel like you want to put a link up on your 
site, then that would also be much appreciated.

   Lastly, again, thank you to the guys that did some testing for us.

     http://www.tc-rtc.co.uk/

         Regards,

          ~Steve~


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Before and After and new website
Date: 1 May 2007 12:13:47
Message: <46372efb$1@news.povray.org>
Perfect!
I love them!!!

Thomas


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From: Mike the Elder
Subject: Re: Before and After and new website
Date: 1 May 2007 13:35:02
Message: <web.463741af62a9bf11bbb988450@news.povray.org>
Looks great.  Many thanks. I did notice one tiny issue with the new site.
When viewed full size, images that are too large to fit on the screen at
current resolution do not seem too offer the usual "zoom-in, zoom-out"
function. (This is in Mozilla/Firefox - didn't test Brand X.)  This is
really a fairly trivial issue since one can easily open the image itself in
a new window where the zoom works just fine.  Thanks again to all who have
worked on the project.

Regards,
Mike C.


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From: William Tracy
Subject: Re: Before and After and new website
Date: 1 May 2007 19:43:16
Message: <46379854$1@news.povray.org>
Very nice.

In my mind, the standout images are "Just a Splash" (mild nudity? More 
like full frontal nudity, but whatever) by Bill Pragnell (love the 
lighting--I just wish that the girl's hair didn't levitate over her 
shoulders in the "after" frame); Tek's YARSOCP (if I hadn't seen the WIP 
images, I would swear that was a photo); and Thomas de Groot's "Time of 
Change" (ooh, recurring characters! I could wish for some more detailed 
textures, but, dang, two complete full-sized detailed scenes? Wow!).

Shay's "A Type of Typewriter" is also *very* nice, although I don't 
quite see the "before and after" them in it. (Like I should talk... :-P)

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William Tracy
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From: milco2006
Subject: Re: Before and After and new website
Date: 1 May 2007 20:05:01
Message: <web.46379cbc62a9bf11d83f96c20@news.povray.org>
I will comment more fully on the images soon however just wanted to drop a
short comment at the mo. Firstly I was amazed upon seeing Tek's image,
truly beautiful raytraced image. A also was astounded by thomas's wonderful
scenes. I really like the concept and the outworking of the concept is done
very well. I enjoyed all the other images although would echo the above
posts comment about not seeing the 'before and after' theme in shay's
picture. I will comment more specifically and such later on.

Generally congrats to all the artists for the wonderful selection of
pictures.

Malcolm


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From: Mike the Elder
Subject: Re: Before and After and new website
Date: 1 May 2007 21:35:03
Message: <web.4637b20762a9bf117fdcaa5f0@news.povray.org>
Comments for TC-RTC March/April 2007
“Before & After”

“But which came first?” by David Lewis:
Congratulations on coming up with a fun and creative take on the topic.
Thanks for the info on JPatch; I’ll be checking it out.  IMHO, the image
came out nicely.  Ignore any detracting comments you might get from the
“Photo-realism Police”.  Your chicken has much more character and
personality than any slavishly literal recreation.

“Just a splash” by Bill Pragnell:
Kudos to a fellow “transformative-effects-of–beverages” artist ;-)
I found the lighting interesting, but it did raise a question in my mind: Is
either side of the wall the interior of a structure?  Light (sunlight?)
seems to be coming from one side in “Before” and from the other in “After.”
 You’ve successfully created an intriguing sense of mood in any case.

“The Passing Away” by Malcolm Findlay:
“The BIG After” is a challenging subject which you’ve handled in a very
thoughtful way.  The sense of loss it conveys is moving without being
overdone or melodramatic.  On a technical note, it’s not really clear to me
what’s happening inside of the circular recess at the top of the headstone.

“Yet Another Reflective Sphere on a Checkered Plane” by Tek:
Very nicely done! Self-referential art only works well on certain occasions,
but this is clearly one of those occasions.  Along with demonstrating
impressive technical skills, the image interprets the topic in a manner
that evokes the passage of time in palpable fashion.

“Aging” by William Tracy:
I’m inclined to be much kinder to the image than you were in your
description.  The symbolism is clear and effective.  The complete absence
of clutter in the background helps in this regard.  The slightly
over-the-top style of the glasses keeps the image from being cliché.

“Reganomics” by Brian Price
As one of the folks who got “trickled-down” on, I’m personally very
sympathetic to your interpretation of the topic. Tight symmetry is a
compositional element that should be used cautiously and sparingly, but it
worked well in this particular case.  The vivid color palette is very
appropriate to the “Before” image, but perhaps toning down the colors just
a bit more in the “After” image would enhance the effect that I believe
that you’re going for. Overall, nice work.

“A Time of Change” by Thomas de Groot
Once again, you have demonstrated that you one of the (if not THE) premier
story tellers of our group.  I really wish Poser were a better program so
that its figures might do justice to the excellent work you do by way of
giving your characters life and personality.  As you can tell, I’m still
not a Poser fan, but I truly admire the job you do in transcending its
limitations.  Congratulations on another great entry.

“This to that” by ~Steve~:
OK, Steve, time to ‘fess up... TWO web sites, a job, a life AND this great
image.  Just how many times DID you clone yourself?  Seriously, a really
nice job.


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From: St 
Subject: Re: Before and After and new website
Date: 2 May 2007 05:25:44
Message: <463820d8@news.povray.org>
"Mike the Elder" <zer### [at] wyanorg> wrote in message 
news:web.463741af62a9bf11bbb988450@news.povray.org...
> Looks great.

   Thank you Mike, but just remember that it's in its infancy and there's a 
long way to go yet. For the moment, let's just say I have plans - and those 
plans were being thought of 'way' before December 2006.


Many thanks. I did notice one tiny issue with the new site.
> When viewed full size, images that are too large to fit on the screen at
> current resolution do not seem too offer the usual "zoom-in, zoom-out"
> function. (This is in Mozilla/Firefox - didn't test Brand X.)  This is
> really a fairly trivial issue since one can easily open the image itself 
> in
> a new window where the zoom works just fine.

    Yes, it's the same in IE6. I'm sure this can be corrected.


Thanks again to all who have
> worked on the project.

    No, thank you to the participants. Without them, there is no website.


     ~Steve~


>
> Regards,
> Mike C.
>
>
>


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From: Bruno Cabasson
Subject: Re: Before and After and new website
Date: 2 May 2007 07:40:02
Message: <web.46383f2662a9bf11f5fba6ef0@news.povray.org>
Hi guys!

Until last week I thought I could participate, but, alas, I had much to do
with RL and another POV project I am working on. My idea was an old house
between modern shiny skyscrapers, the old house in the same manner and in
line my POVLab (TINA Chep round).

I just had a quick look at the entries: good works and congratulations to
entrants!

May I comment though I did not enter this round?

   Friendly

      Bruno


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From: Mike the Elder
Subject: Re: Before and After and new website
Date: 2 May 2007 11:10:01
Message: <web.4638710662a9bf116d4565230@news.povray.org>
"Bruno Cabasson" <bru### [at] alcatelaleniaspacefr> wrote:
> Hi guys!
....
> May I comment though I did not enter this round?

I can't speak for the other entrants of course, but as for myself, feedback
and constructive criticism are always appreciated. Also, since the original
IRTC accepted comments from entrants and non-entrants alike, I would be very
surprised if there were any objections.

For ~Steve~: Understandably, the new site limits voting to entrants.  Will
the public be permitted to comment?

Best Regards All,
Mike C.


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From: milco2006
Subject: Re: Before and After and new website
Date: 2 May 2007 12:45:01
Message: <web.463886f362a9bf11af38a6540@news.povray.org>
Hey,

Just wanted to say thanks to mike for his comments. Also you mentioned:

> On a technical note, it’s not really clear to me
> what’s happening inside of the circular recess at the top of the headstone.
>

I was aware of this problem before sending the image in and was slightly
annoyed I couldnt seem to sort it out. Basically the idea was to have a
fractal inside the recess. Like on real gravestones there is always some
carved symbol for the regement and so I thought the fractal might do nicely
for the povers regement. I implemented this early on in my work on the
picture and back then the lighting was such that the fractal showed nicely.
However to get the longer shadows and more pleasing lighting it became hard
to see the fractal. In the slight rush of exams and the approaching
deadline I played with it but failed to fix it hence its near invisiblness.
Any suggestions on an easy fix would be appreciated.


Also to Bruno, it is always wonderful to hear comments and thoughts on the
pictures so, despite not entering, please post them.

Malcolm


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