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Late comments. Started this before I left for work but didn't finish.
Back now, so ...
'This is a knot, checkered, on a plane' by Bill P.:
This was a nice topic for a person interested in knots. Your's is a
thematically simple image with a decent amount of polish. The
presentation with the rippling reflection effect definitely recalls the
"neat-o" feeling we all got with our first look at a ray-traced chrome
sphere. Unfortunately, along with the warmth of familiarity comes the
choking sensation of over-familiarity. Not sure if the retro 90s look is
intentional. Bitter sweet.
Where's the evolution? A neat idea, but the figure does not evolve at
all. This unfortunately does reflect the evolution of most POVers in
that the standards are so low that only a handful bother to spend more
than a few hours putting something together. This is not a comment on
your or any POVers skill, rather a comment on the unwillingness to
invest more time/energy than most do.
I've never tried Poser. The characters are posed very convincingly, but
their distorted arms and details like the low resolution of Tina's
sphere take away a lot from an otherwise very nice image. The story is
very well narrated. I imagine the background character as one who has
passed the plane checker and is now burdened with guilt over her own
conformity.
'HERE'S LOOKING AT HUES, KID' by Michael Chelmecki:
These kinds of themes are tough. There's some cleverness, but no humor
or challenge. There really is nothing to take from this on an emotional
level, so the image must be visually stunning to leave an impression.
Some nice modeling techniques in all three, but I personally took
nothing away from having seen them.
'Tina entertains the boys at the POV Club' by ~Steve~:
After having heard about the Tina Chep topic, my first idea for
interpretation was "this is not a checkered plane (of existence)",
meaning that we are not living in a world where the distinction between
black and white (right and wrong) is clearly delineated. Not sure if
it's intentional, but your image and description do lend themselves to
this interpretation.
Why the sign? Stream of consciousness, but is this not a non-checkered
plain, "an expanse of land with relatively low relief(Wikipedia)"? I
think with a bit more work on the aesthetics of this unusual plain, this
could be an interesting image.
'This is not a checkered plane' by Jim C.:
Your scene is an example of what I want to do in future rounds of the
new RTC. A nice take on the topic and a quality pic most likely produced
in a reasonable, non-life-stopping amount of time. I want to do as you
have done: take something, put it out there, and participate in what's
going on rather than just trying to bend topics to my personal ends.
Additionally, you've managed a trick for which I cannot promise to
always try; You've made an image that is on topic yet still relevant
outside of the competition.
As far as the picture itself, I can't really tell what elements are "in
phase" with others. I thought it at first to be a group of hunters or
travelers disappearing into history. Transience definitely comes across.
An IRTC entry in the traditional mold. Lots of stuff. Ran out of time
for tweaking, but this is the right track for the kind of unambiguously
quality images that often do and should win contests like these.
-Shay
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Shay <not### [at] notmail com> wrote:
> Late comments. Started this before I left for work but didn't finish.
> Back now, so ...
>
> .../...
>
> An IRTC entry in the traditional mold. Lots of stuff. Ran out of time
> for tweaking, but this is the right track for the kind of unambiguously
> quality images that often do and should win contests like these.
>
> -Shay
Thanks! :o)
I took time after the round to tweak the lighting and get a better result.
Bruno
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Shay wrote:
> Late comments. Started this before I left for work but didn't finish.
> Back now, so ...
Late in some sense I guess, but always appreciated. Considering the
pictures after the dust has settled and the excitement is over
>
> 'This is a knot, checkered, on a plane' by Bill P.:
> This was a nice topic for a person interested in knots. Your's is a
> thematically simple image with a decent amount of polish. The
> presentation with the rippling reflection effect definitely recalls the
> "neat-o" feeling we all got with our first look at a ray-traced chrome
> sphere. Unfortunately, along with the warmth of familiarity comes the
> choking sensation of over-familiarity. Not sure if the retro 90s look is
> intentional. Bitter sweet.
Retro 90s already??? :0
>
> Where's the evolution? A neat idea, but the figure does not evolve at
> all. This unfortunately does reflect the evolution of most POVers in
> that the standards are so low that only a handful bother to spend more
> than a few hours putting something together. This is not a comment on
> your or any POVers skill, rather a comment on the unwillingness to
> invest more time/energy than most do.
Yet it is a nice take on the perpetual problem of depictional means. On
any given occasion you are stuck at whatever skill level you have,...
but you still want to tell the story.
>
> I've never tried Poser. The characters are posed very convincingly, but
> their distorted arms and details like the low resolution of Tina's
> sphere take away a lot from an otherwise very nice image. The story is
> very well narrated. I imagine the background character as one who has
> passed the plane checker and is now burdened with guilt over her own
> conformity.
LOL, always the maverick, Shay, always the maverick.
>
> 'HERE'S LOOKING AT HUES, KID' by Michael Chelmecki:
> These kinds of themes are tough. There's some cleverness, but no humor
> or challenge. There really is nothing to take from this on an emotional
> level, so the image must be visually stunning to leave an impression.
> Some nice modeling techniques in all three, but I personally took
> nothing away from having seen them.
Yes, but personally I always allow for the passion-for-craft. It has
it's fatuous side, but I wlways give it the nod in the edge. I guess
because it has its obsessive-compulsive side too.
>
> 'Tina entertains the boys at the POV Club' by ~Steve~:
> After having heard about the Tina Chep topic, my first idea for
> interpretation was "this is not a checkered plane (of existence)",
> meaning that we are not living in a world where the distinction between
> black and white (right and wrong) is clearly delineated. Not sure if
> it's intentional, but your image and description do lend themselves to
> this interpretation.
Yes, it is a simple image that pries at complexities. One time, while I
was sitting in my little programmers' suit, (Hugo Boss, a nice liquid
black-blue, european cut, tapered from the shoulder, pegged cuffs,) in
my little programmer's chair, in my little programmer's cubicle, on the
67th floor of the WTC, my project leader, a very prim, proper,
emmaculately groomed, Korean woman, came up to me and asked me what I
thought about pornographic videos. Ummmm...????
>
> 'This is not a checkered plane' by Jim C.:
> Your scene is an example of what I want to do in future rounds of the
> new RTC. A nice take on the topic and a quality pic most likely produced
> in a reasonable, non-life-stopping amount of time.
Thanks. It takes attention not to get sucked in too deep.
> going on rather than just trying to bend topics to my personal ends.
When that is done cynically it rarely works. You must give yourself up
to the topic. That is the truth of the situation. But the thing is,
that is lived out by different people in different ways.
> Additionally, you've managed a trick for which I cannot promise to
> always try; You've made an image that is on topic yet still relevant
> outside of the competition.
Thanks again. I think you have to just take what comes.
>
> As far as the picture itself, I can't really tell what elements are "in
> phase" with others.
There are some ambiguous moments but I think they derive from how are
perception works, you know, the old which line is shorter sort of thing,
and from certain vagaries, such as how a line in the snow might coincide
with the edge of a checker etc.
I thought it at first to be a group of hunters or
> travelers disappearing into history. Transience definitely comes across.
That was pretty much it.
>
> An IRTC entry in the traditional mold. Lots of stuff. Ran out of time
> for tweaking, but this is the right track for the kind of unambiguously
> quality images that often do and should win contests like these.
>
>
Yup.
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Jim Charter wrote:
> On any given occasion you are stuck at whatever skill level
> you have,... but you still want to tell the story.
I'm questioning will, not skill. Look back at the IRTC rounds from 1996
when render (thus development) times were Hellish for even simple CG models.
It would delight me if Steve changed the name from RTContest to
RTChallenge. Let this have the spirit of a five mile race. Sure, someone
will win, but even the last person across the finish line will have run
five miles. Five miles isn't THAT much, is it?
> the passion-for-craft.
> It has it's fatuous side,
Uhhhhgh. How *much* *much* time did I spend on that damn pagoda?
> it has its obsessive-compulsive side too.
Uhhhhgh. How *much* *much* time did I spend on that damn pagoda?
>> rather than just trying to bend topics to my personal ends.
>
> When that is done cynically it rarely works. You must give yourself
> up to the topic. That is the truth of the situation. But the thing
> is, that is lived out by different people in different ways.
I do this sincerely and in good faith. I'm just as reluctant to bore as
I am to be bored, but there is something to be said for playing along,
getting some nice looking renders into the higher rankings, and enjoying
the race.
>> I thought it at first to be a group of hunters or
>> travelers disappearing into history. Transience definitely
>> comes across.
>
> That was pretty much it.
And "pretty much it" pretty much defines how I'm trying to change my
perspective on RTC entries. I'm sure it occurred to you that you could
have told a similar story in a more comples OR more minimal way, but
this would have presented additional time- and energy-consuming
challenges for diminishing (in the viewer's perspective) returns. Here,
it seems you've allowed the theme to settle into its natural niche.
Doing otherwise might very likely have meant no one would have seen it
at all. Eleven isn't a lot of entries. Just a few fewer and this would
not have been a success.
-Shay
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"shay" <sha### [at] nonenone> wrote in message news:461e9adb$1@news.povray.org...
> It would delight me if Steve changed the name from RTContest to
> RTChallenge. Let this have the spirit of a five mile race. Sure, someone
> will win, but even the last person across the finish line will have run
> five miles. Five miles isn't THAT much, is it?
Nah, I could do five miles jogging with my son easily enough, but I might
not be alive at the end of it... ;)
I like RT'Challenge' a LOT Shay!
That's what it will now mean. *Thank you*!
~Steve~
> -Shay
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shay wrote:
> And "pretty much it" pretty much defines how I'm trying to change my
> perspective on RTC entries.
Up late after a great night, still working on my 'before and after'
entry, and I want to elaborate on what I said earlier.
When I see a good local band, as I did tonight, my first thought is that
I aught to go home and practice with my guitar afterwards. I practice
often with the hope of becoming at least good enough to compose basic
music for the many songs I write, but, truth is, guitar doesn't come
easily to me and I will likely never be capable of playing anything
extraordinary.
Second thought: "Hey, wait a second! There IS something which does come
easily to me and in which I am VERY practiced." So, I often come home
intending to create something extraordinary in POV-Ray.
And where are all of these extraordinary pictures? Often posted to this
board, but they are only extraordinary in my attachment to them. I
inevitably cross the line of diminishing (to the viewer) return. I
become attached because of the amount of work and energy expended, even
when far less would have pleased everyone but myself just as much. As an
example, if you're anything at all like me in this respect, your Tina
Chep entry would have more significance to you had you modeled the
figures specifically for it, imagining as you did that the height of
each figure or the style of buttons on his jacket contributed in some
way to the overall effect. To the viewer, it doesn't make a bit of
difference.
Mine is a perspective that works for me, but I really want to step away
from that mindset just long enough to contribute something to this new
incarnation of the IRTC. Something which, even if I'm not especially
attached to it, will make people think, "You know, it's not just the
kiddie pool over there, those POV-Ray guys have something interesting or
high quality to offer." I think you've managed that here without going
so deep that you get into nasty things like a hyper-critical (of your
own work at first, then others') frame of mind.
-Shay
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St. wrote:
>> "shay" <sha### [at] nonenone> wrote in message news:461e9adb$1@news.povray.org...
>> It would delight me if Steve changed the name from RTContest
>> to RTChallenge.
>
> That's what it will now mean. *Thank you*!
Then I suppose I'm delighted. :)
-Shay
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Very nicely put, Shay. I mostly feel that way too.
Thomas
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