Congratulation for your really hard earned first place.

Marc
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Marc Schimmler wrote:
> 
> Congratulation for your really hard earned first place.
> 
> Marc
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> Marc Schimmler

Well, as voting is over, I'd like to say something about this picture
too. When I saw it first, then I was literally shocked and unable to do
anything for couple of minutes, instead I just stared it. 
Almost everything good is said about this picture, but there is one
thing, what disturbs me: windows. They look unrealistic: it's raining,
man is using umbrella, rear shield is covered with water, but windows in
second building left seem to be open? And it buildings backward too (or
they are a little bit dark, IMVHO they should be brighter). Moreover,
those building windows do not look appropriate for such city, they seem
to be from other (Mediterranean ?) area..
OK, OK, I will shut up now, as I'll never make picture with such
quality, I've never been in NY and I don't know a droplet about art;-)
I'm only regretting, that picture has such proportions, that I can't use
it as background. Otherwise I'd admire it after every minute ("Minimize
All Windows" item will be worn out!).

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In article <3923875E.558C82BD@aetec.ee>, Vahur Krouverk 
<vah### [at] aetecee> wrote:
>man is using umbrella, rear shield is covered with water, but windows in
>second building left seem to be open? And it buildings backward too (or

I don't know what time of year it is in the 'photo' :*) but in the 
summer I will definitely leave windows open in the rain to let the fresh 
air in. The bathroom window will be left open (it's above the tub; I 
don't care if the tub gets rainwater in it!) and whatever windows are 
'with' the wind, so that rain doesn't pour in.

I like the smell of the air during a rain, and I think it refreshes the 
air in my apartment to let that air in.

I did this more before I moved to San Diego, however; (a) it doesn't 
rain much in the summer, and (b) our summers aren't nearly as hot and 
muggy as New York or Michigan.

Jerry

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Well, (late) thanks everyone ! This round was tough for sure, with lots
of good pictures. This is going to be more and more difficult...
I'll skip the next round, being mostly a urban person :-)

G.

Marc Schimmler wrote:

> Congratulation for your really hard earned first place.
>
> Marc

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Vahur Krouverk wrote:

> Almost everything good is said about this picture, but there is one
> thing, what disturbs me: windows. They look unrealistic: it's raining,
> man is using umbrella, rear shield is covered with water, but windows in
> second building left seem to be open? And it buildings backward too (or
> they are a little bit dark, IMVHO they should be brighter). Moreover,
> those building windows do not look appropriate for such city, they seem
> to be from other (Mediterranean ?) area..

In fact you're wrong on the last point and right on the first one. All the
image maps I used (or created) are based on actual NYC elements or buildings
(past or present, which may add to the confusion : in the comments, someone
said that the "Don't walk" fonts were wrong, even though it's a picture of
the real thing, but possibly these fonts are no longer used). Reality is
just tricky sometimes.
However, the photo that I processed and decorticated to extract the windows
of second building left was taken probably in summer, so yes, the windows
shouldn't be open ! In fact this fitted very well the first version of the
picture without the cars, because the building looked empty and abandoned.
This is less suitable now that the city looks more lively. Well, there will
be wet businessmen in that building...

G.

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Gilles Tran <tra### [at] inapginrafr> wrote:
: Reality is just tricky sometimes.

  Don't you hate it when you meticulously model something from the real
world and you get an exact replica of the real thing, and then someone
thinks it looks irrealistic, fake?

  Make a test and you may get surprised: When, for example, walking on the
street, look carefully at things and think that if it was a rendered image
instead of a real world thing, does it look real or irrealistic?
  Sometimes, specially at night, lights make things look surprisingly
irrealistic. You just don't realize that because you don't think about it.
You don't pay attention. Sometimes shadows go in very weird angles and shapes
that look quite weird.

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Warp wrote:
> 
> Gilles Tran <tra### [at] inapginrafr> wrote:
> : Reality is just tricky sometimes.
> 
>   Don't you hate it when you meticulously model something from the real
> world and you get an exact replica of the real thing, and then someone
> thinks it looks irrealistic, fake?
> 
If we take into account, that reality is an illusion caused due to the
deficiency of alcohol(or drugs), then it shouldn't surprising...

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Warp wrote:

>   Don't you hate it when you meticulously model something from the real
> world and you get an exact replica of the real thing, and then someone
> thinks it looks irrealistic, fake?

By definitition, a model (3D, math, anything) is not an exact replica, but an
approximation. Real-life objects have a complexity that is out of reach for,
well, anyone: if you have at your disposal all the monstrous amount of
information necessary to recreate, say, an apple, you're probably some sort of
god. So there are two solutions: you can be happy with what you have (which may
be quite enough), or you can use the model as a starting point and add "fake"
(i.e. not made according  a precise model of reality) elements that will deceive
the eye of the viewer.
For instance, I didn't try to model the rain drop by drop, but added "rain" clues
that participate in the illusion. In other parts of the image, I relied too much
on the quality of the models used and should have spent more time on figuring out
ways to make them look better.

G.

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Gilles Tran <tra### [at] inapginrafr> wrote:
: By definitition, a model (3D, math, anything) is not an exact replica, but an
: approximation. Real-life objects have a complexity that is out of reach for,
: well, anyone: if you have at your disposal all the monstrous amount of
: information necessary to recreate, say, an apple, you're probably some sort of
: god.

  If you take a photo of the apple and scan it, say, at 1024x768 pixels, you
don't need that much information to make a 3D-model which results in an exact
replica of the photo when rendered.

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