Ken wrote:

> Perhaps the i.r.t.c. newsletter should address these issues. I'm not sure
> of how many of the judges are currently monitoring these groups yet,
> as they as still fairly new, and the importance if this issue could be
> addressed to a larger body of people. Anyboy out there reading this
> subsribe to the newsletter ? Who runs it and how does one submit
> material to it ? Perhaps a digested collection of the responses to this
> and the other similar threads could be sent out as and eduactionl
> aid in the fairness and responsibility of being a judge.

To subscribe to the mailing lists (if there is a "newsletter" I haven't
heard of it), proceed as follows:

For the announcements (a low volume read only list that announces
topics, results, policy changes etc.) send email with the word
"subscribe" in the subject line (the body will be ignored) to
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For the stills list (low to medium volume) send email with the word
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irt### [at] niestucom .  Once subscribed, send messages for the list
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For the animation list (so far low volume) send email with the word
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There is no digest that I know of, but Dick Balaska has an archive of
many messages.  He is trying to keep spammers out of the archive, so it
is passworded.  Inquire on the list for the needed info.

Jerry Anning
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Jerry Anning wrote:

> Ken wrote:
>
> > Perhaps the i.r.t.c. newsletter should address these issues. I'm not sure
> > of how many of the judges are currently monitoring these groups yet,
> > as they as still fairly new, and the importance if this issue could be
> > addressed to a larger body of people. Anyboy out there reading this
> > subsribe to the newsletter ? Who runs it and how does one submit
> > material to it ? Perhaps a digested collection of the responses to this
> > and the other similar threads could be sent out as and eduactionl
> > aid in the fairness and responsibility of being a judge.
>
> To subscribe to the mailing lists (if there is a "newsletter" I haven't
> heard of it), proceed as follows:
>
> For the announcements (a low volume read only list that announces
> topics, results, policy changes etc.) send email with the word
> "subscribe" in the subject line (the body will be ignored) to
> irt### [at] niestucom .
>
> For the stills list (low to medium volume) send email with the word
> "subscribe" in the subject line (the body will be ignored) to
> irt### [at] niestucom .  Once subscribed, send messages for the list
> to irt### [at] niestucom .
>
> For the animation list (so far low volume) send email with the word
> "subscribe" in the subject line (the body will be ignored) to
> irt### [at] niestucom .  Once subscribed, send messages for the
> list to irt### [at] niestucom .
>
> To unsubscribe from one of these lists, send a message with the word
> "unsubscribe" in the subject (the body will be ignored) to the
> appropriate request address.  For example, you would unsubscribe from
> the stills list with a message to irt### [at] niestucom with the
> word "unsubscribe" in the subject.
>
> There is no digest that I know of, but Dick Balaska has an archive of
> many messages.  He is trying to keep spammers out of the archive, so it
> is passworded.  Inquire on the list for the needed info.
>
> Jerry Anning
> cle### [at] dholcom

This is of course what I was talking about. Sorry about the confusion.

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Ken Tyler

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Jerry Stratton wrote:

> In article <36a21507.0@news.povray.org>, Nieminen Mika <war### [at] cctutfi> wrote:
> >  This is exactly what I have been whining about several times here. As
> >Dan excellently said it, cross-contamination of voting categories.
> >  A stunning looking image -> High score on each category.
> >  An ugly image -> low score on each category.
> >
> >  The question is: Can we do anything about this?
>
> Probably not. Remember that the artistic and interpretation are going to
> depend heavily on the technical merit of the piece simply for natural
> reasons; and the interpretation score will depend heavily on the artistic
> merit of the piece.

I don't agree on this, necessarily. Particularly the Art -> Tech link.

I cannot use the straight POV code. I just don't have the brain for it. Instead, I
use Moray. Because of this (and I won't discuss if this is fair or not, I don't
know) I will always recieve deductions on the tech marks. On the otherhand, I
think that Moray can (not necessarily by me, though) create pics that look as nice
as straight code. But because of this cross-voting, it would not recieve the Art
scores.

And while the Art and Interpretation/Composition scores are definitely linked, the
Tech and Interpretaion are not, at all.

Sometimes I feel a panel-judge only system may even work better, but that goes
against the spirit of the competition... maybe our current system with a "Panel's
Choice" awards?

Ah well :)

Simon
http://home.istar.ca/~sdevet

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Oh, I don't know, in some ways it's better to be a misunderstood, underappreciated
genius and martyr.

Dan Connelly wrote:

> Re writing -- the writing is important.  An example was the "PVC Man" image...
> with an alien among toy men with a question mark over his head.  Many voters
> said the alien looked too much like the toys.  The obvious interpretation
> of this is a lack of "tech"... reusing a model.  The author responded in email
> that this was intentional -- the alien was confused because he had assumed the
> figures, which bore his resemblance, were the most intelligent life forms,
> and thus sought to contact them.  Unfortunately this wasn't mentioned
> in text, so his tech and his concept scores both likely suffered,
> as voters assumed the simpler explanation.  Knowing what he intended, I now
> consider it a novel interpretation of the theme.
>
> Dan
>
> --
> http://www.flash.net/~djconnel/

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