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From: jhu
Subject: No more IRTC?
Date: 27 Jan 2008 18:45:00
Message: <web.479d16af31b1dc9d7bcf5ca50@news.povray.org>
It's been over a year now. Is something else taking its place?


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From: Jan Dvorak
Subject: Re: No more IRTC?
Date: 27 Jan 2008 21:44:56
Message: <479d41a8$1@news.povray.org>
jhu napsal(a):
> It's been over a year now. Is something else taking its place?
> 
> 
tc-rtc.co.uk
see a few threads upward


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From: B  Gimeno
Subject: Re: No more IRTC?
Date: 4 Feb 2008 09:25:01
Message: <web.47a71fc94cd5f3622683f30c0@news.povray.org>
Jan Dvorak <jan### [at] centrumcz> wrote:
> jhu napsal(a):
> > It's been over a year now. Is something else taking its place?
> >
> >
> tc-rtc.co.uk
> see a few threads upward

I lament it, but this substitute is not able to replace the spirit of the
original aid. It's an opiniation, the proposed subjects are not as "open" as
long ago because usually they are based on unknown works that stops most of the
non-english-speakers users of POV-Ray. Resignation.

B. Gimeno


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From: Mike the Elder
Subject: Re: No more IRTC?
Date: 4 Feb 2008 10:00:01
Message: <web.47a7283f4cd5f3625a8888d90@news.povray.org>
"B. Gimeno" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> Jan Dvorak <jan### [at] centrumcz> wrote:
> > jhu napsal(a):
> > > It's been over a year now. Is something else taking its place?
> > >
> > >
> > tc-rtc.co.uk
> > see a few threads upward
>
> I lament it, but this substitute is not able to replace the spirit of the
> original aid. It's an opiniation, the proposed subjects are not as "open" as
> long ago because usually they are based on unknown works that stops most of the
> non-english-speakers users of POV-Ray. Resignation.
>
> B. Gimeno

I have a good deal of sympathy with you comment.  When I first heard about the
system that was to be used to select topics, I had rather high hopes for it.
It turns out that, even as a naive English speaker, I have found the topics
that have been selected rather uninspiring and restrictive.  (To be fair,
however, I should point out that the organizers have stipulated that one does
not have to be in any way familiar with the CONTENT of the selected work; the
submission need only be inspired by the title and even that can be interpreted
very broadly.)

The only PERSON I feel compelled to criticize with regard to current state of
ray tracing competition is myself.  I believe that I could have and should have
done a better job of finishing and submitting entries to help build up the
"TC-RTC".  Despite the fact that I have no moral high ground to speak from in
this regard, I would still like to encourage others to join me in trying to do
more to support the competition so that it CAN become all we would like it to
be.

This being said, I would like to offer a friendly suggestion to the TC-RTC
organizers to consider modifications to the topic selection process in
recognition of the fact that participation levels have not been as high as were
hoped for.  I would also like to thank these same organizers for their hard work
and perseverance through challenging times.

Best Regards,
Mike C.


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From: St 
Subject: Re: No more IRTC?
Date: 4 Feb 2008 11:58:02
Message: <47a7441a@news.povray.org>
"B. Gimeno" <nomail@nomail> wrote in message 
news:web.47a71fc94cd5f3622683f30c0@news.povray.org...
> Jan Dvorak <jan### [at] centrumcz> wrote:
>> jhu napsal(a):
>> > It's been over a year now. Is something else taking its place?
>> >
>> >
>> tc-rtc.co.uk
>> see a few threads upward
>
> I lament it, but this substitute is not able to replace the spirit of the
> original aid. It's an opiniation, the proposed subjects are not as "open" 
> as
> long ago because usually they are based on unknown works that stops most 
> of the
> non-english-speakers users of POV-Ray. Resignation.

    Thanks for your support. For what it's worth, and in my understanding, 
the IRTC is on "hiatus".

     I'll make sure the next topic is "Glass" - now that *should* bring 
about 186+ entries in.

     ~Steve~


>
> B. Gimeno
>
>


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From: William Tracy
Subject: Re: No more IRTC?
Date: 4 Feb 2008 12:07:21
Message: <47a74649$1@news.povray.org>
Mike the Elder wrote:
> It turns out that, even as a naive English speaker, I have found the topics
> that have been selected rather uninspiring and restrictive.

Unfortunately, I have to agree. It was a neat idea, but the topic 
selection system isn't working out very well.

Oddly enough, the original "This Is Not a Checkered Plane" was arguably 
the best topic I've ever seen for a raytracing competition--it even had 
a cute acronym. :-) Do we have any way of coming up with more topics 
like that?

-- 
William Tracy
afi### [at] gmailcom -- wtr### [at] calpolyedu

I saw a poster that read:
"Simpsons: The Movie: Rent it or own it."
I'm not sure, but I think it's a threat.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: No more IRTC?
Date: 4 Feb 2008 12:14:36
Message: <prheq3dgcie4rn3ne5q66r5vpdu3vs3fp0@4ax.com>
On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 16:57:52 -0000, "St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:

>
>     I'll make sure the next topic is "Glass" - now that *should* bring 
>about 186+ entries in.

You are transparent, Steve :)

Regards
	Stephen


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From: St 
Subject: Re: No more IRTC?
Date: 4 Feb 2008 12:19:46
Message: <47a74932@news.povray.org>
"Mike the Elder" <nomail@nomail> wrote in message 
news:web.47a7283f4cd5f3625a8888d90@news.povray.org...
> "B. Gimeno" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
>> Jan Dvorak <jan### [at] centrumcz> wrote:
>> > jhu napsal(a):
>> > > It's been over a year now. Is something else taking its place?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > tc-rtc.co.uk
>> > see a few threads upward
>>
>> I lament it, but this substitute is not able to replace the spirit of the
>> original aid. It's an opiniation, the proposed subjects are not as "open" 
>> as
>> long ago because usually they are based on unknown works that stops most 
>> of the
>> non-english-speakers users of POV-Ray. Resignation.
>>
>> B. Gimeno
>
> I have a good deal of sympathy with you comment.  When I first heard about 
> the
> system that was to be used to select topics, I had rather high hopes for 
> it.
> It turns out that, even as a naive English speaker, I have found the 
> topics
> that have been selected rather uninspiring and restrictive.  (To be fair,
> however, I should point out that the organizers have stipulated that one 
> does
> not have to be in any way familiar with the CONTENT of the selected work; 
> the
> submission need only be inspired by the title and even that can be 
> interpreted
> very broadly.)
>
> The only PERSON I feel compelled to criticize with regard to current state 
> of
> ray tracing competition is myself.  I believe that I could have and should 
> have
> done a better job of finishing and submitting entries to help build up the
> "TC-RTC".  Despite the fact that I have no moral high ground to speak from 
> in
> this regard, I would still like to encourage others to join me in trying 
> to do
> more to support the competition so that it CAN become all we would like it 
> to
> be.
>
> This being said, I would like to offer a friendly suggestion to the TC-RTC
> organizers to consider modifications to the topic selection process in
> recognition of the fact that participation levels have not been as high as 
> were
> hoped for.  I would also like to thank these same organizers for their 
> hard work
> and perseverance through challenging times.

      Thanks for your observations Mike. I've been thinking about the topic 
system, (which *I* think is brilliant), and I'll propose this:

       o- There will be a choice of  five topics per two monthy stills round 
using the same system.

       o- Each entrant may pick a minimum of one topic to enter.

       o- One entrant may enter up to five topics if they so desire.

       Doing it this way, the chances are that there will be something for 
everyone to do. (After all, the voting is based on an interpretation of said 
topic(s), so whichever topic an entrant enters, if their image is the 'best' 
out of all five topics, that image is going to be in the 'first' slot).

      It's the only thing I can think of at the moment so as to spread a 
little variation, but I'm open to any suggestions other than this.

        Regards,

        ~Steve~




>
> Best Regards,
> Mike C.
>
>


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From: St 
Subject: Re: No more IRTC?
Date: 4 Feb 2008 12:29:29
Message: <47a74b79$1@news.povray.org>
"Stephen" <mcavoysATaolDOTcom@> wrote in message 
news:prheq3dgcie4rn3ne5q66r5vpdu3vs3fp0@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 16:57:52 -0000, "St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:
>
>>
>>     I'll make sure the next topic is "Glass" - now that *should* bring
>>about 186+ entries in.
>
> You are transparent, Steve :)

   LOL! :)

   Well, you know where I'm coming from, you only have to look at the 
past/early topics and you can see a hell of a lot of entries for simple 
topics, but if you study it properly, you can also see that the IRTC started 
to dwindle a *long* time before everyone 'disappeared'.

     ~Steve~



>
> Regards
> Stephen


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From: St 
Subject: Re: No more IRTC?
Date: 4 Feb 2008 12:46:54
Message: <47a74f8e$1@news.povray.org>
"William Tracy" <wtr### [at] calpolyedu> wrote in message 
news:47a74649$1@news.povray.org...
> Mike the Elder wrote:
>> It turns out that, even as a naive English speaker, I have found the 
>> topics
>> that have been selected rather uninspiring and restrictive.
>
> Unfortunately, I have to agree. It was a neat idea, but the topic 
> selection system isn't working out very well.

     Why not? How about this one; "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Internet",
     or this one; "The First 1000 Euler Numbers"
     or this one; "The Machine"
     or this one; "Relativity: The Special and General Theory"

    These are all there, waiting to be turned into *imaginative* rendered 
art.


>
> Oddly enough, the original "This Is Not a Checkered Plane" was arguably 
> the best topic I've ever seen for a raytracing competition--it even had a 
> cute acronym. :-) Do we have any way of coming up with more topics like 
> that?

    Possible, suggest away.

     ~Steve~


>
> -- 
> William Tracy
> afi### [at] gmailcom -- wtr### [at] calpolyedu
>
> I saw a poster that read:
> "Simpsons: The Movie: Rent it or own it."
> I'm not sure, but I think it's a threat.


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