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From: ziotom
Subject: CG book by "Beijing Zito Books Co" -- what's this?
Date: 10 Jan 2004 05:45:02
Message: <web.3fffd7463b35bd0fa9247a30@news.povray.org>
Hello to everybody.

I have received an e-mail by "Beijing Zito Books Co", a chinese publishing
company (their name was unknown to me, but they have a web site at
http://www.readroad.com -- unfortunately almost everything is written in
chinese!).  They say they are planning to publish a CG book and want to put
some images of mine in it, asking me to use them without charge nor
royalties.

Since the only CG images I created were submitted to IRTC, I think they
contacted somebody else which joined this competition (maybe all the
participants?).  Is it so?  And if it is, what do you think about?

Maurizio.


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From: gonzo
Subject: Re: CG book by "Beijing Zito Books Co" -- what's this?
Date: 12 Jan 2004 16:40:02
Message: <web.400312e8f69a4b27a0c272b50@news.povray.org>
ziotom wrote:
>I have received an e-mail by "Beijing Zito Books Co", a chinese publishing
>company (their name was unknown to me, but they have a web site at
>http://www.readroad.com -- unfortunately almost everything is written in
>chinese!).  They say they are planning to publish a CG book and want to put
>some images of mine in it, asking me to use them without charge nor
>royalties.
>
>Since the only CG images I created were submitted to IRTC, I think they
>contacted somebody else which joined this competition (maybe all the
>participants?).  Is it so?  And if it is, what do you think about?


Yep, I received the same email.  Doesn't say much.

I'll going to reply, asking them what images specifically they are referring
to. Like you, I am assuming they are talking about IRTC, but since I have
several IRTC entries, it would be nice to narrow it down a little.  The
email also mentions some "authorizing documents", so I'd like to see those.
 I suppose I should point out to them that all IRTC images are already
subject to IRTC copyright (Is copyright even an applicable term in China?).

I can't think of anything terribly wrong with the idea offhand, since
a) I'm not making anything from the images already, and
b) the images are already freely available online, both from the IRTC site,
and some at Lost Souls, so if they just wanted to use them it wouldn't be
difficult and I'd probably never know the difference. The fact that they
actually bothered to ask I suppose is in their favor.

Maybe some of the better known POV artists who are more experienced with
actually having their work published can add some insight.

RG


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From: Gilles Tran
Subject: Re: CG book by "Beijing Zito Books Co" -- what's this?
Date: 13 Jan 2004 08:19:43
Message: <4003f06f$1@news.povray.org>

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> Since the only CG images I created were submitted to IRTC, I think they
> contacted somebody else which joined this competition (maybe all the
> participants?).  Is it so?  And if it is, what do you think about?

These people sent the same message to a lot of people some months ago (some
of us even received it several times) and they apparently swept throught the
IRTC addresses. This was discussed on povray.off-topic, but this thread is
gone unfortunately. Perhaps you should repost your message on this group, as
people who discussed the issue previously could share some of their ideas. I
also guess that some people did send images to the publisher.

The outcome of the discussion, IIRC, was the following :
- This seems to be a legit publisher, and they seem to try to do things
properly. China has signed the Berne convention on copyright in 1992, so
there's a legal background. Book piracy is rife in China though (from what
I've heard from people who went there) but of course this is not the
publishers' fault.

they have also their own "Digital beauties" book (called "Virtual beauties"
here), which is borderline plagiarism.
- Their email sending seems a little too broad and not very discriminate. If
they really want the best artists/pictures, they should go for a more
personal approach IMHO.
- Whatever your decision is, make sure that you have a bona fide paper
contract that covers as much ground as possible.

G.



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From: ziotom
Subject: Re: CG book by "Beijing Zito Books Co" -- what's this?
Date: 13 Jan 2004 13:15:01
Message: <web.4004355ef69a4b27d40b42790@news.povray.org>
>These people sent the same message to a lot of people some months ago (some
>of us even received it several times) and they apparently swept throught the
>IRTC addresses. This was discussed on povray.off-topic, but this thread is
>gone unfortunately. Perhaps you should repost your message on this group, as
>people who discussed the issue previously could share some of their ideas.

Thank you both very much for your suggestions.  I will re-post my message.

Maurizio


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From: The Mad Hatter
Subject: Re: CG book by "Beijing Zito Books Co" -- what's this?
Date: 5 Mar 2005 01:35:01
Message: <web.4229528cf69a4b27721eaaf60@news.povray.org>
"ziotom" <zio### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> >These people sent the same message to a lot of people some months ago (some
> >of us even received it several times) and they apparently swept throught the
> >IRTC addresses. This was discussed on povray.off-topic, but this thread is
> >gone unfortunately. Perhaps you should repost your message on this group, as
> >people who discussed the issue previously could share some of their ideas.
>
> Thank you both very much for your suggestions.  I will re-post my message.
>
> Maurizio


Well if they wanted to publish my works, I would only feel happy someone
thinks my work is worth while being published.  After all, looking at the
past IRTC images, it seems the ones that have the most copyright notices
embedded right into the image are some of the worst images I have seen
entered.

Seems to be a case of wishfull thinking by newbies that someone wants to
steal their work.


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