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From: dbott
Subject: irtc...being proactive
Date: 28 Jan 2007 19:13:16
Message: <45bcf5cc$1@news.povray.org>
Markus -
I saw his web page and he looks busy.......

Question 1: Who owns the irtc web page?
 I know it lives on the povray.org server.
And, I know it is run by irtc admin.

Question 2: Why won't someone step up
and take it over?
(If this is one person who is done with it)

Statement : The IRTC has been around a long
time. Obviously, many talented people are participants.
When reading the irtc.stills a lot of people were willing
to take it over. But instead they have started a pseudo
competition.

I will throw my name in the hat, I will be willing to take it
over. If this is would be allowed......and get backup admin.
(It has such a great following, it can't just disappear).

Yes, Markus I know what your going to say we need to
see what develops with the current situation. That's fine,
but it would be nice to have something and someone in place
to take over. Which gets back to my original  question----
Who owns the irtc web page?  And, can we use it?
A web site that gets pass around from admin to admin
when he retires...putting his own mark on it.
(That might be to optimistic)

dbott
......and I like the newest entry Danse Macabre....good one.


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From: Bruno Cabasson
Subject: Re: irtc...being proactive
Date: 28 Jan 2007 20:35:00
Message: <web.45bd085879e7bc5be8e032560@news.povray.org>
"dbott" <dbo### [at] eastsoundsuitescom> wrote:
> Statement : The IRTC has been around a long
> time. Obviously, many talented people are participants.
> When reading the irtc.stills a lot of people were willing
> to take it over. But instead they have started a pseudo
> competition.
>

Hello. I participated to the discussion on irtc.stills. The current round
(Jan-Feb) was obviously skipped. It has been commonly decided to make this
pseudo competition in order to keep us busy and to wait until next period
(mar-apr) in case the irtc admin(s) re-appear. Personnaly, I hope nothing
serious happend to him (them)...


    Bruno


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From: Markus Altendorff
Subject: Re: irtc...being proactive
Date: 28 Jan 2007 22:02:54
Message: <45bd1d8e@news.povray.org>
dbott schrieb:
> Markus -
> I saw his web page and he looks busy.......

I just looked at http://www.irtc.org/team.html and was 
shocked to find that the people listed there are (at least 
to me) "retired from service" for at least a year or two! 
Really needs to be brought up-to-date sometime soon.

The current admin is supposedly Jesse Becker, though it's 
really worrisome that he's so long unaccounted for... maybe 
just because i've had very bad experiences when people 
suddenly stopped their online activities, because things DO 
happen...

Feeding J.B.'s PGP key (not the name) from his Nov.2006 
postings into Google turned up no newsgroup posts after Jan. 
2005. OK, that's not quite thorough research, and proves 
just about nothing, but it's as disquieting as the IRTC's 
silence.

I've written to his two PGP-confirmed mail accounts that 
turned up in the process. Keeping fingers crossed...

> Question 1: Who owns the irtc web page?
>  I know it lives on the povray.org server.
> And, I know it is run by irtc admin.

The hosting is done by povray.org, which means that this 
server's root admin typically has "access all areas" and 
could create/assign a new user account to handle 
IRTC-related tasks. However, to the current IRTC admin, this 
is like coming home from a holiday and finding the house has 
been sold, and the locks already changed. To describe this 
as "awkward" may be an understatement... i'm running several 
domains myself, and finding that someone else has taken over 
one of these in my absence is very near the top of my 
internet horrors list, thus my reluctance to step up and say 
"we want IRTC to be run by someone who actually cares" ...
Also, the POVray.org master admin has to "give away the 
keys" to someone else he may or may not know anything about 
- passing hosting responsibilites is a rather big leap of 
faith if it's entirely online.

> Question 2: Why won't someone step up
> and take it over?
> (If this is one person who is done with it)

There are several script-driven things on the server, and 
(speaking as an outsider to IRTC's internal workings, so 
this is pure guesswork) i'm not sure who knows how these 
work, what these things do, or if it's at all documented 
somewhere (being familiar with "organic growth" websites 
myself)... Most of the IRTC preparation could likely be 
handled manually, like copying files or creating a web page. 
(see my preview page, which took about all of ten minutes to 
set up). With the registration and voting stuff, i honestly 
don't know. I fear it's "secret knowledge" passed on from 
one admin to the next, but that's exactly where the current 
problem lies. The last admin's mail from November seems to 
hint at "someone else" that's also able to move things 
around, which would indicate the presence of at least one 
more backup admin (or someone from POVray?). None has 
stepped forward so far, and this is equally worrisome.

> Statement : The IRTC has been around a long
> time. Obviously, many talented people are participants.
> When reading the irtc.stills a lot of people were willing
> to take it over. But instead they have started a pseudo
> competition.

To fill in the time, of course, but i agree, without the 
IRTC webpage to offer a "web-visible" beacon, this is about 
as interim as it gets ;)

> I will throw my name in the hat, I will be willing to take it
> over. If this is would be allowed......and get backup admin.
> (It has such a great following, it can't just disappear).

Amen to that!

> Yes, Markus I know what your going to say we need to
> see what develops with the current situation. That's fine,
> but it would be nice to have something and someone in place
> to take over. Which gets back to my original  question----
> Who owns the irtc web page?  And, can we use it?

Previous mails from the povray group raise the impression 
that the current IRTC admin "owns" it alone. This IS a 
problem in the current situation... although to me, it's 
more of a moral dilemma... (see above). If the IRTC was a 
"wholly owned subsidiary" of povray.org, i'd say full steam 
ahead, in with a new admin (because then it's not someone's 
own project, but community-driven), and let's get rolling!

(Querying nic.com, the IRTC.org is registered to an email 
address at aussie.org, and sponsered by Tucows Inc. - same 
as the povray.org address.)

> A web site that gets pass around from admin to admin
> when he retires...putting his own mark on it.
> (That might be to optimistic)

Why? I think that would be great!

-Markus


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From: Markus Altendorff
Subject: Re: irtc...being proactive
Date: 28 Jan 2007 22:11:42
Message: <45BD1F7B.4040809@anthrosphinx.de>
I wrote five minutes ago, in irtc.animations:

> The current admin is supposedly Jesse Becker, though it's really 
> worrisome that he's so long unaccounted for... maybe just because i've 
> had very bad experiences when people suddenly stopped their online 
> activities, because things DO happen...
> 
> Feeding J.B.'s PGP key (not the name) from his Nov.2006 postings into 
> Google turned up no newsgroup posts after Jan. 2005. OK, that's not 
> quite thorough research, and proves just about nothing, but it's as 
> disquieting as the IRTC's silence.
> 
> I've written to his two PGP-confirmed mail accounts that turned up in 
> the process. Keeping fingers crossed...

Alright, i'm officially creeped out now.

Both accounts, at speakeasy.net and yahoo.com, do not exist 
(any more?). Bounce, end of Data, "This user doesn't have a 
yahoo.com account", "speakeasy.net: Sorry, no mailbox here 
by that name".

Well, i ran out of ideas and can see the floor of my toolbox 
now. Don't know what else to do. Will pass this on to stills 
and irtc-l, too. Don't flame me for crossposting. I just 
felt it's important.

Anybody else any bright ideas...?

-Markus


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From: dbott
Subject: Re: irtc...being proactive
Date: 29 Jan 2007 04:35:05
Message: <45bd7979$1@news.povray.org>
"Markus Altendorff" <maa### [at] anthrosphinxde> wrote in message
news:45B### [at] anthrosphinxde...
> I wrote five minutes ago, in irtc.animations:
>
> > The current admin is supposedly Jesse Becker, though it's really
> > worrisome that he's so long unaccounted for... maybe just because i've
> > had very bad experiences when people suddenly stopped their online
> > activities, because things DO happen...
> >
> > Feeding J.B.'s PGP key (not the name) from his Nov.2006 postings into
> > Google turned up no newsgroup posts after Jan. 2005. OK, that's not
> > quite thorough research, and proves just about nothing, but it's as
> > disquieting as the IRTC's silence.
> >
> > I've written to his two PGP-confirmed mail accounts that turned up in
> > the process. Keeping fingers crossed...
>
> Alright, i'm officially creeped out now.
>
> Both accounts, at speakeasy.net and yahoo.com, do not exist
> (any more?). Bounce, end of Data, "This user doesn't have a
> yahoo.com account", "speakeasy.net: Sorry, no mailbox here
> by that name".
>
> Well, i ran out of ideas and can see the floor of my toolbox
> now. Don't know what else to do. Will pass this on to stills
> and irtc-l, too. Don't flame me for crossposting. I just
> felt it's important.
>
> Anybody else any bright ideas...?
>
> -Markus

no, we just see what develops.........

And, Markus you are right (the voice of reason) I would hate it
if someone or a group of someone's walked into my house
and started cooking.

Bruno
Last, I would never want harm to come to anybody....I hope this
person (irtc.admin) is not hurt or in any kind of serious danger.
We have enough crap to deal with on this planet.
I guess that's why I escape into my computer and program.

dbott


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From: Markus Altendorff
Subject: Re: irtc...being proactive
Date: 29 Jan 2007 07:41:30
Message: <45bda52a$1@news.povray.org>
dbott wrote:

> no, we just see what develops.........

As much as i hate to say it, but i'm sure this isn't really an option 
any more...

> 
> And, Markus you are right (the voice of reason) I would hate it
> if someone or a group of someone's walked into my house
> and started cooking.

Wow, "voice of reason" - that's a first for me ;)
Seriously: Yes, it's usually not quite good style to do so. However, two 
details just stepped up from the back of my mind:
1) The IRTC has a provable track record of various admins already, so 
it's supposedly "for the community" and not "someone's very own baby". 
(that's not meant as harsh as it sounds, though.)
2) In Nov. 2006, Jesse already asked for "someone to move things along" 
while he was busy.

In *that* light, it should be possible to at least ask the Povray.org 
admin to assign someone to help out.

That doesn't solve the problem of possibly no-one being familiar with 
irtc.org's inner workings. We really need some lead to someone who is, 
to make this work. This, too, is something i hope someone from the upper 
tier at povray.org has a lead to.

If no one has already contacted the nic.com's contact 
dc(something)@aussie.org, i'll write a letter to them once i'm back at 
my home computer.

-Markus


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From: Thorsten Froehlich
Subject: Re: irtc...being proactive
Date: 29 Jan 2007 08:58:44
Message: <45bdb744@news.povray.org>
Markus Altendorff wrote:
> If no one has already contacted the nic.com's contact
> dc(something)@aussie.org, i'll write a letter to them once i'm back at
> my home computer.

Aussie.org owner and admin is also Chris Cason, so no need to send him yet
another email about the IRTC issue.

	Thorsten, POV-Team


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From: Markus Altendorff
Subject: Re: irtc...being proactive
Date: 29 Jan 2007 12:21:29
Message: <45bde6c9@news.povray.org>
Thorsten Froehlich wrote:
> Markus Altendorff wrote:
>> If no one has already contacted the nic.com's contact
>> dc(something)@aussie.org, i'll write a letter to them once i'm back at
>> my home computer.
> 
> Aussie.org owner and admin is also Chris Cason, so no need to send him yet
> another email about the IRTC issue.

Understood :)

I'm just wondering what the next steps can/should be now? I'll try the 
one not-yet-tried mail address of Jesse Becker that was mentioned below, 
and i'm really hoping any kind of contact can be established, but i'd be 
more than happy to have some fail-safe scenario at hand if that doesn't 
work out either...

<rant>i don't want the IRTC to dwindle just because no one's really in 
effin' charge</rant> ;)

-Markus


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From: dbott
Subject: Re: irtc...being proactive
Date: 30 Jan 2007 05:47:57
Message: <45bedc0d$1@news.povray.org>
"Markus Altendorff" <maa### [at] panoramasde> wrote in message
news:45bde6c9@news.povray.org...
> Thorsten Froehlich wrote:
> > Markus Altendorff wrote:
> >> If no one has already contacted the nic.com's contact
> >> dc(something)@aussie.org, i'll write a letter to them once i'm back at
> >> my home computer.
> >
> > Aussie.org owner and admin is also Chris Cason, so no need to send him
yet
> > another email about the IRTC issue.
>
> Understood :)
>
> I'm just wondering what the next steps can/should be now? I'll try the
> one not-yet-tried mail address of Jesse Becker that was mentioned below,
> and i'm really hoping any kind of contact can be established, but i'd be
> more than happy to have some fail-safe scenario at hand if that doesn't
> work out either...
>
> <rant>i don't want the IRTC to dwindle just because no one's really in
> effin' charge</rant> ;)
>
> -Markus

Here Here, yes, I agree. I am a (n00b) with POV, but I have reached
a certain plateau. The irtc was my motivating force to take pov
to a new level.


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