On 1/26/2011 4:29 PM, Darren New wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 14:24:44 -0700, Patrick Elliott wrote:
>>
>>> The only flaw in that is you can't go back and "undo" things that
>>> already happened.
>>
>> Of course, and that's why I'm for gun control and tighter regulation
>> of guns in the US. "Undo" is hard to do if not impossible when death
>> is involved.
>
> The problem is that it works both ways. You're just arguing that
> defenders should die instead of attackers. If there's tight regulation
> on gun control, you're letting those who ignore those regulations kill
> those who obey them, without that same "undo" you're trying to control.
>
There is a lot of circular logic going on here yes. The defenders are 
dying anyway, along with the victims. There was someone else at the 
Arizona incident **with** a gun, who managed to be rational enough to 
not pull on, and shoot, one of the defenders, after he got the gun away 
from the shooter. Some hot head, with less brain, would have. You don't 
get rid of attackers by lax gun control, all you do is put them in the 
hands of **both** attackers *and* idiots, both of which end up shooting 
innocent people. Yet, the argument always goes, "Obviously, if everyone 
has a gun, only the people shooting victims will get shot!" How the hell 
does a room full of 50 people pulling guns *tell* how the damn attacker 
is, when half of them where not even looking that direction when the 
first shot rang out? The argument is pure madness, no different, in 
principle, for the MAD doctrine of making sure you have as many nukes as 
someone else, so both of you are too scared to fire one. Its not the two 
mutually scared shitless fools with a closet full of guns, dressed like 
someone from the damn Mad Max film that is the problem, its the other 
nut that walks in with *one* gun, intent on hurting someone, who sets 
off the whole hornets nest.

I find it amazing that the government can see the *obvious* idiocy of 
letting someone like Iran get nukes, and figuring out that the best way 
to stop it is to not give *anyone* a reason to have them, including 
themselves (or at least most of them figured this out), but when its 
some bozo with a hand gun... More = better, unless they are someone that 
shouldn't have them, which they can't **prevent** as long as you can 
find someone willing to sell the damn things out of the back of a van, 
or someplace similar, for $20, in any city in the country, no questions 
asked, because the van owner *is* doing it illegally, and just hasn't 
been caught and jailed yet. Very similar to the "lets keep such and such 
country from getting nukes, or nuke materials, including the thousands 
we can't find, track, detect, or have a clue where they went to, when 
Russia feel.. Keep crazy people from getting guns **how** exactly? 
Enforce laws that already exist, but don't work, better *how* exactly? 
But don't dare make new laws, to try to close loopholes, because we 
gotta have those personal nukes, uh... guns, sorry..

Tell me, what would happen if the US wasn't a source of guns *for* 
crooks in the UK? After all, that is one of the arguments, "They get 
them here too, but the cops don't, so we are not safe!" Gee.. Where 
from? The gun nut capitol of the world, that is where. A place where 
anything short of something you can blow up a building with is A-OK to 
own, set up in your house, pointed at the front door, or carry on your 
person, as long as its not concealed in places where you can't conceal 
it, or you have a permit in places you need one, or you have the right 
to have one even without those, and it doesn't make you list was you 
walk, do to being designed to take out military tanks. And, I am sure 
that will be the next thing some idiot decides to make legal in Arizona, 
just as soon as a few years have passed, and they forget about some 
government official or other being shot in Arizona, or fudge the history 
of the event, to claim it was caused by not enough guns, and liberals...

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